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[Patch 5.8] Ryze Rework General Discussion - Page 42

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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
May 12 2015 15:10 GMT
#821
On May 12 2015 23:02 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 19:56 57 Corvette wrote:
Yeah, day of the rework I picked Ryze top (forgetting he was reworked), and while I did OK once i hit level 7/9, it felt like I did no damage lategame even with a high mana build.
Honestly not sure why they reworked Ryze in the first place.

Also damn i need to get my MMR back up, went on a loss streak after hitting gold 5 now I'm playing with all Silver 2/3 players.

Ryze is/was pretty much impossible to balance, especially with his old skillset; a lanebully, hypercarry tank - yeeeah.


You forgot short range and immobile
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 12 2015 15:21 GMT
#822
still more range than melees
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 12 2015 15:52 GMT
#823
and 500 ms with ulti isnt exactly slow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 16:08:31
May 12 2015 16:07 GMT
#824
On May 12 2015 23:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 18:35 cLutZ wrote:
Does this site's item buying system let you upgrade parts, lol?


No, but you can sell items back at full cost when you have enough to upgrade.


Hmm. I'm gonna save up for BF sword anyways.

Edit, also just realized this all should be in the stupid Q's thread...
Freeeeeeedom
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 12 2015 17:31 GMT
#825
can we get luden's echo for the Liquid Legends goldshop? ^^
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#826
if anything they could make ryze q pass through to a second target at reduced damage but im fine with him sucking tbh I hated when he was played every game top.
Moar banelings less qq
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
May 12 2015 20:14 GMT
#827
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 12 2015 20:21 GMT
#828
--- Nuked ---
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 20:21:57
May 12 2015 20:21 GMT
#829
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?


Spoiler tagged because of the game where Eve was played, read at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +
EDG ran Eve against SKT because it was meant to be a team-wide strategy to counterpick Faker's Leblanc, because it would be near impossible to predict where Eve is at, so if Faker ever roamed to try and get kills in the outer lanes Eve could just run up, ult and Q-spam down Faker and whichever other lane he went in.


It depends upon what your team needs; if it needs a tank, that's a decent build to use for Eve tank. If your team needs damage then I think you'll still get some tanky items, but probably want BotRK or an AP item (I don't remember if Eve's ratios prefer her to go AD or AP).
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 20:23:43
May 12 2015 20:23 GMT
#830
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?

Warrior > Tank is the "standard" competitive build.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 12 2015 20:28 GMT
#831
+ Show Spoiler +
They actually picked Evelynn for Nunu. I guess it makes sense, she can move somewhat easily to countergank, isn't too easy for him to harass since her W lets her cleanse his slow, and she's got good sustained damage if she has to fight him early.
By going Warrior she gets early impact, sightstone helps reduce Nunu's influence, and then she can build tanky and act as disruption/roam.

Plus the "anti-roam" stuff yeah (but iirc Morgana was enough to prevent Faker roaming).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 12 2015 20:29 GMT
#832
On May 13 2015 05:21 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?


Spoiler tagged because of the game where Eve was played, read at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +
EDG ran Eve against SKT because it was meant to be a team-wide strategy to counterpick Faker's Leblanc, because it would be near impossible to predict where Eve is at, so if Faker ever roamed to try and get kills in the outer lanes Eve could just run up, ult and Q-spam down Faker and whichever other lane he went in.


It depends upon what your team needs; if it needs a tank, that's a decent build to use for Eve tank. If your team needs damage then I think you'll still get some tanky items, but probably want BotRK or an AP item (I don't remember if Eve's ratios prefer her to go AD or AP).


Actually, the Eve was to counter the Nunu, not the Leblanc. It happened to synergize nicely with the Morgana against Leblanc, but that was not the main purpose. It was implied that Eve would've been picked even if there was no Leblanc.
TranslatorBaa!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 12 2015 20:32 GMT
#833
On May 13 2015 05:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:21 Kinie wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?


Spoiler tagged because of the game where Eve was played, read at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +
EDG ran Eve against SKT because it was meant to be a team-wide strategy to counterpick Faker's Leblanc, because it would be near impossible to predict where Eve is at, so if Faker ever roamed to try and get kills in the outer lanes Eve could just run up, ult and Q-spam down Faker and whichever other lane he went in.


It depends upon what your team needs; if it needs a tank, that's a decent build to use for Eve tank. If your team needs damage then I think you'll still get some tanky items, but probably want BotRK or an AP item (I don't remember if Eve's ratios prefer her to go AD or AP).


Actually, the Eve was to counter the Nunu, not the Leblanc. It happened to synergize nicely with the Morgana against Leblanc, but that was not the main purpose. It was implied that Eve would've been picked even if there was no Leblanc.

Don't quite see how Eve is a counter to Nunu. Certainly hasn't happened in any other pro match involving Nunu that I can recall. What/how does Eve counter?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
May 12 2015 20:35 GMT
#834
On May 13 2015 05:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:21 Kinie wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?


Spoiler tagged because of the game where Eve was played, read at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +
EDG ran Eve against SKT because it was meant to be a team-wide strategy to counterpick Faker's Leblanc, because it would be near impossible to predict where Eve is at, so if Faker ever roamed to try and get kills in the outer lanes Eve could just run up, ult and Q-spam down Faker and whichever other lane he went in.


It depends upon what your team needs; if it needs a tank, that's a decent build to use for Eve tank. If your team needs damage then I think you'll still get some tanky items, but probably want BotRK or an AP item (I don't remember if Eve's ratios prefer her to go AD or AP).


Actually, the Eve was to counter the Nunu, not the Leblanc. It happened to synergize nicely with the Morgana against Leblanc, but that was not the main purpose. It was implied that Eve would've been picked even if there was no Leblanc.

Don't quite see how Eve is a counter to Nunu. Certainly hasn't happened in any other pro match involving Nunu that I can recall. What/how does Eve counter?

On May 13 2015 05:28 Alaric wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
They actually picked Evelynn for Nunu. I guess it makes sense, she can move somewhat easily to countergank, isn't too easy for him to harass since her W lets her cleanse his slow, and she's got good sustained damage if she has to fight him early.
By going Warrior she gets early impact, sightstone helps reduce Nunu's influence, and then she can build tanky and act as disruption/roam.

Plus the "anti-roam" stuff yeah (but iirc Morgana was enough to prevent Faker roaming).

Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-13 02:15:57
May 12 2015 20:36 GMT
#835
On May 13 2015 05:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:21 Kinie wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:14 General_Winter wrote:
In a recent pro game at some point in a recent event Eve was played. her build was warrior. Sightstone, level 1 boots. Tanky stuff ie two crystals, then belt and cowel, then level 2 boots, then eventually banshee's and randuins.

Do you think this was based on game specific events, or is it generically a good build for Eve?

Should she build more damage or is that built last?


Spoiler tagged because of the game where Eve was played, read at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +
EDG ran Eve against SKT because it was meant to be a team-wide strategy to counterpick Faker's Leblanc, because it would be near impossible to predict where Eve is at, so if Faker ever roamed to try and get kills in the outer lanes Eve could just run up, ult and Q-spam down Faker and whichever other lane he went in.


It depends upon what your team needs; if it needs a tank, that's a decent build to use for Eve tank. If your team needs damage then I think you'll still get some tanky items, but probably want BotRK or an AP item (I don't remember if Eve's ratios prefer her to go AD or AP).


Actually, the Eve was to counter the Nunu, not the Leblanc. It happened to synergize nicely with the Morgana against Leblanc, but that was not the main purpose. It was implied that Eve would've been picked even if there was no Leblanc.

Don't quite see how Eve is a counter to Nunu. Certainly hasn't happened in any other pro match involving Nunu that I can recall. What/how does Eve counter?


According to Clearlove, Nunu's biggest advantage is the ability to quickly change up jungle paths and efficiently counter-jungle whenever the enemy jungler is spotted. Eve is always off the map so it introduces more uncertainty on where Nunu can safely go, and also scares Nunu away from sneaking a solo dragon since for all you know Eve is nearby. If a fight breaks out Eve can chase down Nunu by cleansing the slow.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 12 2015 20:43 GMT
#836
Was asking if the actual players/teams commented more about the Eve pick. I can justify Eve vs Nunu on paper retrospectively but obv that isn't the point. tyty
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
May 12 2015 20:47 GMT
#837
By the way, what is out spoiler window, 24h?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 12 2015 20:48 GMT
#838
We don't have one.
TranslatorBaa!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 12 2015 20:53 GMT
#839
Officially there isn't one but it's nice when people use spoilers out of courtesy, etc.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 22:23:26
May 12 2015 22:22 GMT
#840
I figure for major events (MSI, playoffs, Worlds, etc.) a 5-7 day spoiler window is good. For LCS weekends and "regular season" stuff, a 2-4 day window is good (the games might not matter as much in regular season compared to playoffs, and people may only watch for specific teams, while playoffs/MSI/Worlds should be watched for quality play).
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