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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 00:49:19
May 12 2015 00:48 GMT
#801
nvm

why are Quote and edit buttons so close? T.T
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 12 2015 00:53 GMT
#802
On May 12 2015 09:48 Anakko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 09:45 sob3k wrote:
I tried new ryze i really did, he is just ass. His Q is just way way too fucking hard to hit, not only in lane, but also way way too hard to hit in chaotic teamfight when someone is body blocking and you have to throw them out every 2 seconds. If you cant land Q you never scale into a monster like old ryze, so you're just trash at every point in the game. He need a massive numbers buff, but even then with Q being so fucking tiny and linear, he's still gonna end up in a really awful feast or famine state based on how easy it is to land them in a given situation

his whole design seems shitty in my opinion, his passive is just a giant "don't trade with me for 5 seconds", and he still has basically zero tricks up his sleeve to force anything. There is still no outplay potential barring flash. Its just obnoxious and hard to keep track of.



I say, give him the Shyvana treatment. Make his Q pass-through like her E. Can get lowered damage or something it doesn't matter. But at least it will let him do something


I like my idea. Make him hilariously OP in the lategame. Like, add singed passive onto his Ult levels, Q scales with last hits, and give him armor/MR for every target E bounces onto (it could "steal" it or something). Maokai tanky with Cassio damage. Its the only way, unless they make E 1-shot minion waves at lvl 7/9 if lvld first.
Freeeeeeedom
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 00:54:23
May 12 2015 00:54 GMT
#803
On May 12 2015 09:53 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 09:48 Anakko wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:45 sob3k wrote:
I tried new ryze i really did, he is just ass. His Q is just way way too fucking hard to hit, not only in lane, but also way way too hard to hit in chaotic teamfight when someone is body blocking and you have to throw them out every 2 seconds. If you cant land Q you never scale into a monster like old ryze, so you're just trash at every point in the game. He need a massive numbers buff, but even then with Q being so fucking tiny and linear, he's still gonna end up in a really awful feast or famine state based on how easy it is to land them in a given situation

his whole design seems shitty in my opinion, his passive is just a giant "don't trade with me for 5 seconds", and he still has basically zero tricks up his sleeve to force anything. There is still no outplay potential barring flash. Its just obnoxious and hard to keep track of.



I say, give him the Shyvana treatment. Make his Q pass-through like her E. Can get lowered damage or something it doesn't matter. But at least it will let him do something


I like my idea. Make him hilariously OP in the lategame. Like, add singed passive onto his Ult levels, Q scales with last hits, and give him armor/MR for every target E bounces onto (it could "steal" it or something). Maokai tanky with Cassio damage. Its the only way, unless they make E 1-shot minion waves at lvl 7/9 if lvld first.

They could always make his Q a targeted ability, that sounds like it just might work.
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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
May 12 2015 00:55 GMT
#804
On May 12 2015 09:54 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 09:53 cLutZ wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:48 Anakko wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:45 sob3k wrote:
I tried new ryze i really did, he is just ass. His Q is just way way too fucking hard to hit, not only in lane, but also way way too hard to hit in chaotic teamfight when someone is body blocking and you have to throw them out every 2 seconds. If you cant land Q you never scale into a monster like old ryze, so you're just trash at every point in the game. He need a massive numbers buff, but even then with Q being so fucking tiny and linear, he's still gonna end up in a really awful feast or famine state based on how easy it is to land them in a given situation

his whole design seems shitty in my opinion, his passive is just a giant "don't trade with me for 5 seconds", and he still has basically zero tricks up his sleeve to force anything. There is still no outplay potential barring flash. Its just obnoxious and hard to keep track of.



I say, give him the Shyvana treatment. Make his Q pass-through like her E. Can get lowered damage or something it doesn't matter. But at least it will let him do something


I like my idea. Make him hilariously OP in the lategame. Like, add singed passive onto his Ult levels, Q scales with last hits, and give him armor/MR for every target E bounces onto (it could "steal" it or something). Maokai tanky with Cassio damage. Its the only way, unless they make E 1-shot minion waves at lvl 7/9 if lvld first.

They could always make his Q a targeted ability, that sounds like it just might work.


Get out of here with your crazy ideas. There is no way that would work
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
May 12 2015 01:01 GMT
#805
On May 12 2015 09:55 Anakko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 09:54 Ansibled wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:53 cLutZ wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:48 Anakko wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:45 sob3k wrote:
I tried new ryze i really did, he is just ass. His Q is just way way too fucking hard to hit, not only in lane, but also way way too hard to hit in chaotic teamfight when someone is body blocking and you have to throw them out every 2 seconds. If you cant land Q you never scale into a monster like old ryze, so you're just trash at every point in the game. He need a massive numbers buff, but even then with Q being so fucking tiny and linear, he's still gonna end up in a really awful feast or famine state based on how easy it is to land them in a given situation

his whole design seems shitty in my opinion, his passive is just a giant "don't trade with me for 5 seconds", and he still has basically zero tricks up his sleeve to force anything. There is still no outplay potential barring flash. Its just obnoxious and hard to keep track of.



I say, give him the Shyvana treatment. Make his Q pass-through like her E. Can get lowered damage or something it doesn't matter. But at least it will let him do something


I like my idea. Make him hilariously OP in the lategame. Like, add singed passive onto his Ult levels, Q scales with last hits, and give him armor/MR for every target E bounces onto (it could "steal" it or something). Maokai tanky with Cassio damage. Its the only way, unless they make E 1-shot minion waves at lvl 7/9 if lvld first.

They could always make his Q a targeted ability, that sounds like it just might work.


Get out of here with your crazy ideas. There is no way that would work

No way it would be Riot Approved anyway.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 01:18:48
May 12 2015 01:13 GMT
#806
Oi. Rework Ryze is god tier in ARAM right now, you just Lee Sin in with 4 stacks and collect a penta with a million spell rotation with your ult. Rito give Ryze Mark/Dash in Rift too pls.

On May 12 2015 07:40 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 06:02 kongoline wrote:
On May 12 2015 05:48 Ketara wrote:
He is arguing that unyielding is better later in the game.

Clearing faster is always better later in the game, because you have more gold.

Scip is like, 5000% correct, there's a reason he is in masters and everybody else here is not. 6 seconds on your first clear can decide the entire game very easily, and even when it does not, it adds up on each clear enough over time to give you an exp/item advantage over somebody who is 6 seconds slower.

by that logic we all should use unyielding instead of bladed armor since pretty much every pro jungler uses it and they clearly know best


I said this yesterday but I'll say it again.

Professional junglers are not playing the same game that you or Scip are.

They do it in soloQ too, on every single jungler that goes 21/9.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 02:22:04
May 12 2015 02:19 GMT
#807
My opinion of new Ryze is that he is ass, because the majority of his damage (and sustain) would come in from him running up with R activated, E bouncing around and shredding MR, followed up by the point and click Q+W damage on one of those MR shredded foes. Now that Q is a skillshot it's far more likely to hit a tank (or not hit anything) and you don't get that sustain back, meaning you get blown up faster.

Plus the CD reduction on new passive isn't as good as the old one, so you can't run up with R going, go EQW, wait a half second then go WQ, wait another half second and go EQ and by them probably have the ult be nearly off CD so you can pop it and run away.

The only good thing with his new Q is that you can spam the ever living hell out of it, so tear stacking on him is easier. Everything else about it is ass. Personally I think giving him a Shyvana E, Veigar Q, or Bard Q would be better. Reduce the damage but have it pass through to hit something else, or hit a secondary enemy, or inflict a minor CC or debuff of some kind (like a 5-25% slow for 1-2s or MR loss or something).
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
May 12 2015 02:25 GMT
#808
Even the 30% cdr on his ult is completely awkward now, especially with just masteries you can hit 40% right away, so any cdr from items feels like a waste
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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
May 12 2015 03:43 GMT
#809
So am I the only one who's noticed the outrageous price increase on 975rp and 880rp champs that are on sale? They raised the sales price by like 300rp. I only have 15 champs left to pick up, but this is a huge price increase. They used to be 48xrp and 440rp now they're 780rp and 704rp.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 12 2015 03:50 GMT
#810
On May 12 2015 12:43 Sonnington wrote:
So am I the only one who's noticed the outrageous price increase on 975rp and 880rp champs that are on sale? They raised the sales price by like 300rp. I only have 15 champs left to pick up, but this is a huge price increase. They used to be 48xrp and 440rp now they're 780rp and 704rp.

wait, when did they do this?
I almost always bought 6300 ip champs for RP when they were on sale, makes it so much easier to get a lot of champs.
liftlift > tsm
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
May 12 2015 04:03 GMT
#811
Nevermind, they're running a special sale where there's 16 champs currently on sale. I didn't realize because I only have a few champs left to buy.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 12 2015 04:07 GMT
#812
On May 12 2015 13:03 Sonnington wrote:
Nevermind, they're running a special sale where there's 16 champs currently on sale. I didn't realize because I only have a few champs left to buy.

oh okay. lol.

I only have like 5 champs left, only 1 6300ip one left.
liftlift > tsm
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 05:25:20
May 12 2015 05:25 GMT
#813
ayy can someone give me a quick rundown of the standard top lane runes/masteries for this season? i basically never play top and am kinda interested in trying it.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 12 2015 05:41 GMT
#814
Top Lane champs for the most part have fairly customized rune pages. Off the top of my head, Maokai, Gnar, Rumble have all very different rune setups.
You can do generic AD (AD/AD/Flat Armor/Flat MR) and AP (AP/MPen/Flat Armor/Flat MR) if you're lacking pages.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 12 2015 08:12 GMT
#815
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
May 12 2015 08:41 GMT
#816
On May 12 2015 14:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Top Lane champs for the most part have fairly customized rune pages. Off the top of my head, Maokai, Gnar, Rumble have all very different rune setups.
You can do generic AD (AD/AD/Flat Armor/Flat MR) and AP (AP/MPen/Flat Armor/Flat MR) if you're lacking pages.

thanks
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 12 2015 09:35 GMT
#817
Does this site's item buying system let you upgrade parts, lol?
Freeeeeeedom
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 12 2015 10:56 GMT
#818
Yeah, day of the rework I picked Ryze top (forgetting he was reworked), and while I did OK once i hit level 7/9, it felt like I did no damage lategame even with a high mana build.
Honestly not sure why they reworked Ryze in the first place.

Also damn i need to get my MMR back up, went on a loss streak after hitting gold 5 now I'm playing with all Silver 2/3 players.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 14:02:09
May 12 2015 14:02 GMT
#819
On May 12 2015 19:56 57 Corvette wrote:
Yeah, day of the rework I picked Ryze top (forgetting he was reworked), and while I did OK once i hit level 7/9, it felt like I did no damage lategame even with a high mana build.
Honestly not sure why they reworked Ryze in the first place.

Also damn i need to get my MMR back up, went on a loss streak after hitting gold 5 now I'm playing with all Silver 2/3 players.

Ryze is/was pretty much impossible to balance, especially with his old skillset; a lanebully, hypercarry tank - yeeeah.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 12 2015 14:12 GMT
#820
On May 12 2015 18:35 cLutZ wrote:
Does this site's item buying system let you upgrade parts, lol?


No, but you can sell items back at full cost when you have enough to upgrade.
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