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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 12:41:35
November 21 2014 12:41 GMT
#141
I've tried 2 times to do full clear with Sejuani without leash (trying out in custom game) and with different runes setup it didn't work. But maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 12:42:11
November 21 2014 12:41 GMT
#142
On November 21 2014 20:47 Alaric wrote:
MR is nerfed across the board. People speculate that it's to make up for the regen changes that end up nerfing mana sustain, so since mages can't cast as much then theirs casts will be more meaningful, or something (but if LB could 100-0 you before she can more easily now, and the changes won't make her go oom in one rotation either).

Affected MR items are now cheaper though. Banshee's and SV are untouched. Abyssal Scepter was buffed in it's MR and is even cheaper.

Not completely across the board, but worse early on.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 12:51:08
November 21 2014 12:49 GMT
#143
Also one question, because I'm not familiar with preseasons. If I get Plat from Gold IV while being in preseason, does that count for s5? Or will I start from G4 again? Or MMR matters? (I'm 1714MMR right now, so it's like G2) Or it's just 10 placement matches again and my score in preseason doesn't matter?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2014 12:51 GMT
#144
Elo will be "compressed" toward 1200 across the board at the start of s5 (something like Silver III-IV), and your Elo at the time of the compression will be taken into account, not what it was at the end of s4, so any progress you make now will spill onto season 5.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
November 21 2014 12:52 GMT
#145
On November 21 2014 21:51 Alaric wrote:
Elo will be "compressed" toward 1200 across the board at the start of s5 (something like Silver III-IV), and your Elo at the time of the compression will be taken into account, not what it was at the end of s4, so any progress you make now will spill onto season 5.

I see. But you still have to play placement matches once s5 starts? Or I'll be automatically put into some league? And let's say for example, if I'm G4 now and I will end Plat5 by the end of preseason, what are my chances for s5? Middle gold again?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 21 2014 12:53 GMT
#146
You have to do placements again obv., but you'll start at an higher Elo since the compression is basically "lose/gain half the difference between your previous Elo and 1200" iirc.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
November 21 2014 13:01 GMT
#147
yeah, I remember going 4-6 in previous placement games and it put me in Bronze V (I've ended G5)... anyway, thanks for clarifying.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 13:18:30
November 21 2014 13:16 GMT
#148
On November 21 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 14:11 Scip wrote:
On November 21 2014 13:38 Gahlo wrote:
On November 21 2014 10:30 nafta wrote:
Also kind of funny that we are back to bot lane doing golems.It's not as big of a problem as it used to be but some particular combos that have a lot of damage lvl 1 are real terror.

Riot need to make that camp impossible to kite already it has been too long.

That's dumb, they should be helping jungle with golems anyway.

?? Not taking leash into account a lot of junglers prefer starting frog

The whole point of starting golems is because of the bot lane leash. You can't not take it into account.

Sure but just starting frog with help from top lane is comparable while it gives your bot a huge advantage.

Getting both golems and going to lane with all 3 melee creeps dead is still an xp gain.Why would you not do that?If you have a good combo you can lose only 1.Only reason is you don't care.

Also doing frog as 2 is actually harder than doing golems just like the big wight before.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
November 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#149
On November 21 2014 22:16 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
On November 21 2014 14:11 Scip wrote:
On November 21 2014 13:38 Gahlo wrote:
On November 21 2014 10:30 nafta wrote:
Also kind of funny that we are back to bot lane doing golems.It's not as big of a problem as it used to be but some particular combos that have a lot of damage lvl 1 are real terror.

Riot need to make that camp impossible to kite already it has been too long.

That's dumb, they should be helping jungle with golems anyway.

?? Not taking leash into account a lot of junglers prefer starting frog

The whole point of starting golems is because of the bot lane leash. You can't not take it into account.

Sure but just starting frog with help from top lane is comparable while it gives your bot a huge advantage.

Getting both golems and going to lane with all 3 melee creeps dead is still an xp gain.Why would you not do that?If you have a good combo you can lose only 1.Only reason is you don't care.

Also doing frog as 2 is actually harder than doing golems just like the big wight before.

Given that most top laners are melee, getting any consistant help from them risks them taking damage. Being further from mid lane than blue means it's even more out of the way for mid to help you. By spawning at around 1:50, when the side lane waves crash, causing both solo lanes to help you puts them at an XP disadvantage that has always proven to be detrimental and most junglers don't even have the option of ganking for the hindered lane to make up for it early. There is more than enough time for bot to give adequate leashes on both sides of the map without missing any/many cs. Both Krugs and Gromp are closer to lane than the buff locations they used to get sent to.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 13:53:17
November 21 2014 13:53 GMT
#150
Why would your bot lane help you start rocks/frog when they will be taking them to start nunu support at level 2
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
November 21 2014 13:55 GMT
#151
On November 21 2014 07:34 Osmoses wrote:
Gangplank clears really well from the getgo, and morde takes basically no damage after first back, it's great. I think if I ever actually get to jungle in a real game I'll either go counter jungle gp or homeguard tp morde. Both are just too troll for words.

What runes/masteries are you guys running on GP? And what jungle items?
Yarr?
CutieBK
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden227 Posts
November 21 2014 14:09 GMT
#152
What new junglers specifically do you guys think will work now? I'm really interested in trying out some new jungler now that the playing field has changed, but I'm unsure of which to try out... Ideas?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#153
On November 21 2014 21:41 739 wrote:
I've tried 2 times to do full clear with Sejuani without leash (trying out in custom game) and with different runes setup it didn't work. But maybe I'm doing something wrong.


AD Quints/Marks, Armor Seals/Glyphs. Masteries.

Two camps -> Red -> Everything Else.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
November 21 2014 14:21 GMT
#154
On November 21 2014 23:09 CutieBK wrote:
What new junglers specifically do you guys think will work now? I'm really interested in trying out some new jungler now that the playing field has changed, but I'm unsure of which to try out... Ideas?

Diana laughs at the jungle.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 21 2014 14:31 GMT
#155
On November 21 2014 23:21 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 23:09 CutieBK wrote:
What new junglers specifically do you guys think will work now? I'm really interested in trying out some new jungler now that the playing field has changed, but I'm unsure of which to try out... Ideas?

Diana laughs at the jungle.


Setup pls. Need favorite champion to fit my best role.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
November 21 2014 14:45 GMT
#156
On November 21 2014 22:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
Why would your bot lane help you start rocks/frog when they will be taking them to start nunu support at level 2

Why would you have Nunu on your team on S5 and not have him jungling?

On November 21 2014 23:19 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 21:41 739 wrote:
I've tried 2 times to do full clear with Sejuani without leash (trying out in custom game) and with different runes setup it didn't work. But maybe I'm doing something wrong.


AD Quints/Marks, Armor Seals/Glyphs. Masteries.

Two camps -> Red -> Everything Else.

Do you have a video? I don't seem to get it, I'm ending up a couple hundred HP off the final camp.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 21 2014 14:48 GMT
#157
Don't have a video. What route are you taking and what skill order?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
November 21 2014 14:50 GMT
#158
On November 21 2014 23:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 23:21 Gahlo wrote:
On November 21 2014 23:09 CutieBK wrote:
What new junglers specifically do you guys think will work now? I'm really interested in trying out some new jungler now that the playing field has changed, but I'm unsure of which to try out... Ideas?

Diana laughs at the jungle.


Setup pls. Need favorite champion to fit my best role.

I tried Diana jungle with the same setup as last season. Was too easy honestly.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 21 2014 14:58 GMT
#159
On November 21 2014 23:45 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 22:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
Why would your bot lane help you start rocks/frog when they will be taking them to start nunu support at level 2

Why would you have Nunu on your team on S5 and not have him jungling?

because 2 smites are better than one.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 21 2014 15:12 GMT
#160
On November 21 2014 22:55 DrunkenOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 07:34 Osmoses wrote:
Gangplank clears really well from the getgo, and morde takes basically no damage after first back, it's great. I think if I ever actually get to jungle in a real game I'll either go counter jungle gp or homeguard tp morde. Both are just too troll for words.

What runes/masteries are you guys running on GP? And what jungle items?

Doesn't seem important for his farm success, I've done both full tank and full damage. Qwwwqrand from there build however you see fit.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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