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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 20 2014 19:09 GMT
#41
Smite on non-junglers is a matter of timings and itemization.

Think of Smite like a fast expansion. Once you've spent 2250g on Machete + Upgrade + Enchantment that investment has paid off. Until you do, however, you're still recouping that investment. Machete + Upgrade only buys you a combat summoner for your 750g, so if your opponent (who had one already) spends theirs on stats you're behind.

You can mitigate this by using Smite to start with a level advantage (clear a small camp for the quick level 2) and to grab jungle camps every so often for an edge. The question is whether this makes up for lacking a combat summoner for the early game and potentially into the mid game (if your champion can't effectively rush the Enchanment).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 20 2014 19:10 GMT
#42
On November 21 2014 03:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
League of Black Cleaver and League of DFG were obv the high points of League patching.

Don't forget Warmogs stack~
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 20 2014 19:10 GMT
#43
On November 21 2014 04:08 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
To be honest, beyond the first dragon, subsequent dragon buffs don't feel that strong to me. Maybe it's just because it's hard to quantify the advantage they give you. I'm really not sure.

third and fourth are huge, 5th is obviously huge.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 20 2014 19:11 GMT
#44
Kalista way overrated just because she has infinite hop. Her strongest point in the game is probably late game just cause of the hopping and full build any ADC does a lot of damage but she's still probably not as good as other hyper late game ADCs and she doesn't have the burst damage to be as relevant in the mid game as Lucian or Corki or even Graves. Only thing that might have to change on her is the fact that rend slows because she really doesn't need a slow considering she chases and kites better than pretty much everyone else.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 20 2014 19:11 GMT
#45
Does magic immunity mean takes no damage from any ability or only from magic damage?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 20 2014 19:13 GMT
#46
On November 21 2014 04:11 overt wrote:
Kalista way overrated just because she has infinite hop. Her strongest point in the game is probably late game just cause of the hopping and full build any ADC does a lot of damage but she's still probably not as good as other hyper late game ADCs and she doesn't have the burst damage to be as relevant in the mid game as Lucian or Corki or even Graves. Only thing that might have to change on her is the fact that rend slows because she really doesn't need a slow considering she chases and kites better than pretty much everyone else.

she does a lot of damage and her ult is very good. and never having to facecheck or farm unsafely is pretty good as well. and she prevents the old anti skillshot stand in the minion wave tactic. so she works well with blitz thresh or morgana
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 20 2014 19:13 GMT
#47
I have a feeling the new jungle AS item will get nerfed soon. It's like a feral flare only you don't need 30 large creep kills.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 19:18:13
November 20 2014 19:16 GMT
#48
On November 21 2014 04:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 03:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
League of Black Cleaver and League of DFG were obv the high points of League patching.

Don't forget Warmogs stack~


The one and only time CLGs bench DESTROYED the NA scene.

I will always fondly remember the SV postgame interview "they still try to play with hardcarry ADC, but that doesnt work anymore, people got warmogs and shit!"

Probably my favorite time in league as a jungler tho, I just loved the Madreds Tabi Locket build and the champions it brought into meta.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 20 2014 19:20 GMT
#49
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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
November 20 2014 19:20 GMT
#50
you guys remember Force of Nature? That shit + warmogs was rigged.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 20 2014 19:23 GMT
#51
On November 21 2014 04:13 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I have a feeling the new jungle AS item will get nerfed soon. It's like a feral flare only you don't need 30 large creep kills.



Yeah it does look pretty OP on ww
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 20 2014 19:23 GMT
#52
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 20 2014 19:24 GMT
#53
On November 21 2014 04:20 parkufarku wrote:
you guys remember Force of Nature? That shit + warmogs was rigged.


Made Singed immortal. I know this because even Soniv made it work.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
November 20 2014 19:24 GMT
#54
I think junglers are once again going to be relagated to second support. 7-0 on vi but still finished third on my team in gold cuz I had about 25-30 less cs then normal at 25 mins
Moar banelings less qq
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
November 20 2014 19:24 GMT
#55
Force Of Nature... good ol' times Same as Warmogs/Atma build.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
November 20 2014 19:25 GMT
#56
The double stacking on the devourer enchant also makes a big difference. When the game goes long you get insane value for such a cheap item. Any aspd jungler should just rush it and hard carry like when prenerf feral flare was released.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
November 20 2014 19:26 GMT
#57
In the last thread Celial wrote:
Machete applies a dot over 2 seconds. As long as you are above 0.5 attack speed you won't get extra damage out of machete when going AS runes.


Most DOT's apply their first tick at time=0. So more attack speed will increase DPS when the DOT is refreshed. Not sure if the new machete works like this, but it probably does
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
November 20 2014 19:30 GMT
#58
Not sure if this patch is genius or absolute bullshit lol... I don't understand the need for such big changes but oh well. I guess I'll get used to it.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 20 2014 19:31 GMT
#59
On November 21 2014 04:30 Maluk wrote:
Not sure if this patch is genius or absolute bullshit lol... I don't understand the need for such big changes but oh well. I guess I'll get used to it.


Pick Yi, rush the new FF, oneshot kids.
Pick Nunu, do whatever, farm two jungles.

4.20 in a nutshell.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2014 19:40 GMT
#60
MetaGolem days was the best era of League.
liftlift > tsm
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