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On December 09 2014 08:33 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 06:53 Purge wrote:Doesnt Riven also do really well in this meta top lane? Viktor has other strengths, of course, but Syndra's still more than a notch above him overall, and he doesn't match her strengths and what makes her good competitively, so you can't really compare them. I read it and it makes sense mostly. I would argue though that after putting some thought into it Viktor should really be running CDR runes because he really doesnt need AP per lvl Blues because of Hex Core, so there is that. @ max cdr E cd is 5 seconds which is about Syndra level waveclear. More theorycrafting to sate that curiosity will happen I guess. Hexcore's free AP/level does, in theory, reduce his need to buy AP(and so pushes him more towards Pen and CDR). But in practice you need far more CDR than you can effectively get in order to make multiple E's worthwhile and if you're eschewing AP you should be going for pen because more CDR generally won't get you a second rotation off before another mid laner kills you or leaves your threat range With E augment and level 7-9 or so (depending on your AP) you will one shot every creep you hit with your laser. The issue is that hitting every creep in the wave is hard. Adding more CDR in order to clear faster doesn't actually help since the issue is that you cannot hit every creep well enough, not that you can't clear the ones you hit. So if you trade AP for CDR in a way that causes you do not be able to clear a wave with a single E then you've almost certainly lost out. If you can still clear the wave then you're good, but then you have to worry about survivability moreso than CDR imo.
Define "Effectively get". As its stands I am running 15% from runes and 5% from masteries, which I really dont mind considering that starting the game with 20% cdr and 23 ap is reasonable to me. I did it because someone here suggested that having a second laser per wave would be enough for turret defense, similar to what syndra has, and I agreed. With blue you sit on a 6.4? cd Laser which should be fine, and a 7.9? cd laser with out it. Thats reasonable, not Syndra level but reasonable. I think it has some potential. It should be fine killing waves especially with the minion health nerfs which should make aoe clearing really strong.
And honestly 15% cdr is far more valuable to me than 43AP at lvl 18, or 20 ap at lvl 1. Viktor has relatively high base damages and only 5 itemslots, which makes getting cdr items tricky when you want that lich for 1.0 ap scaling+ base damage attacks.
Again, playtesting is required. Viktor mains seem to run MR glyphs for trades because of his range and I need to see how relevant 20% cdr is early game . Its at least a fun little experiment.
Also cho jungle is going to be a thing, really soon lol.
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On December 10 2014 06:30 wei2coolman wrote:that ahri skin is new levels of terri-bad.
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it's fucking sick if you grew up in the 80s
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I think that Ahri skin looks pretty good. If you gift me that skin I'll be an Ahri main next year. Wink wink.
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Somebody gift me the poro rider Sej.
Just played a custom game. Somebody is jumping on the TF hype train. His build when it was over? Skirmisher w/ Magus, Triforce, Nashor's Tooth, and the parts for DFG. Literally. What. How do you jump on the hype train of something and not even follow it?
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On December 10 2014 09:56 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
Has anyone been buying Righteous Glory? If so, what are your thoughts on the item and its build timing? I was having very mixed results building it on engage supports after FotM/sightstone, so I was wondering if anyone had tried building it out of top lane or the jungle. I'm dreading the day this community values the item and remembers Olaf is a champion.
Its gold efficiency in stats that matter are not enough for me to want to get it as Olaf. Extra mana is nice, but if you've already got another item with mana (Frozen Heart/Triforce) then you're essentially spending 1000 gold for the active and passive since the mana's actual worth is no where near what it would be in a vacuum. That's a lot of money to dump on those, since its trading away 40+ armor or magic resist away for that.
Then you factor it has to be completely built to get the active, and you're probably going to want to get one offensive item at some point... where do you fit it in a build? Like a 5th/6th item maybe? If someone else on the team gets it great, but I'm not really jumping for joy at the prospect of building it.
I'll probably try it out at some point, but considering the other factor of the equation is that once you're on top of someone you have to live long enough for it to matter, I'm not expecting to be blown away.
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On December 10 2014 10:57 Purge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:33 Goumindong wrote:On December 09 2014 06:53 Purge wrote:Doesnt Riven also do really well in this meta top lane? Viktor has other strengths, of course, but Syndra's still more than a notch above him overall, and he doesn't match her strengths and what makes her good competitively, so you can't really compare them. I read it and it makes sense mostly. I would argue though that after putting some thought into it Viktor should really be running CDR runes because he really doesnt need AP per lvl Blues because of Hex Core, so there is that. @ max cdr E cd is 5 seconds which is about Syndra level waveclear. More theorycrafting to sate that curiosity will happen I guess. Hexcore's free AP/level does, in theory, reduce his need to buy AP(and so pushes him more towards Pen and CDR). But in practice you need far more CDR than you can effectively get in order to make multiple E's worthwhile and if you're eschewing AP you should be going for pen because more CDR generally won't get you a second rotation off before another mid laner kills you or leaves your threat range With E augment and level 7-9 or so (depending on your AP) you will one shot every creep you hit with your laser. The issue is that hitting every creep in the wave is hard. Adding more CDR in order to clear faster doesn't actually help since the issue is that you cannot hit every creep well enough, not that you can't clear the ones you hit. So if you trade AP for CDR in a way that causes you do not be able to clear a wave with a single E then you've almost certainly lost out. If you can still clear the wave then you're good, but then you have to worry about survivability moreso than CDR imo. Define "Effectively get". As its stands I am running 15% from runes and 5% from masteries, which I really dont mind considering that starting the game with 20% cdr and 23 ap is reasonable to me. I did it because someone here suggested that having a second laser per wave would be enough for turret defense, similar to what syndra has, and I agreed. With blue you sit on a 6.4? cd Laser which should be fine, and a 7.9? cd laser with out it. Thats reasonable, not Syndra level but reasonable. I think it has some potential. It should be fine killing waves especially with the minion health nerfs which should make aoe clearing really strong. And honestly 15% cdr is far more valuable to me than 43AP at lvl 18, or 20 ap at lvl 1. Viktor has relatively high base damages and only 5 itemslots, which makes getting cdr items tricky when you want that lich for 1.0 ap scaling+ base damage attacks. Again, playtesting is required. Viktor mains seem to run MR glyphs for trades because of his range and I need to see how relevant 20% cdr is early game . Its at least a fun little experiment. Also cho jungle is going to be a thing, really soon lol.
From a wave clearing perspective? You would need like 3 seconds of CD on your E. From a team fight perspective the 15% is probably more than the 27 AP at level 18 (assuming just scaling CDR blues is 15%)
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
This new Ahri skin, considered as Legacy is somekind of a joke, lol, such an awful skin.
El Tigre Braum on the other hand is pretty decent, I guess I'll get it probably 
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On December 10 2014 11:51 krndandaman wrote:
man liss and lb is so broken. I was never good at those champs but now i'm rolling with em.
the nerfing of early mr sent them over the edge imo
I think more so for liss. Whenever I played Liss I always felt I was always barely short on damage to kill someone. So the rise of popularity of morello as first buy has made Liss strong enough to 100-0 people.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Ahri skin is pretty good? Like seriously, it's pretty good.
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On December 10 2014 13:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 11:51 krndandaman wrote:
man liss and lb is so broken. I was never good at those champs but now i'm rolling with em.
the nerfing of early mr sent them over the edge imo I think more so for liss. Whenever I played Liss I always felt I was always barely short on damage to kill someone. So the rise of popularity of morello as first buy has made Liss strong enough to 100-0 people.
Liss could rarely ever kill somebody even on levels with just QWER+ignite+autos. You'd almost always need a second Q to kill. Morello's does two things for Liss
- Ult CD. Need this to kill people who aren't stupid
- More Q's, and enough mana to spam Q's. This pushes people lower in health, and people who eat two or more in a row are generally candidates for getting blown up.
grail being shit also helps.
- Liss wasn't an athene's user to begin with
- byproduct of s5 changes is that mid assassin's are back...most of which got soft, if not hard countered by liss even in S4.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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It's an item in ARAM. Basically a self speed up item.
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Bicep item, inspires your allies with the glorious visage that is your bicep.
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I wouldn't get righteous glory in lane, but as a jungle item on champs without a gapcloser it's purdy daem sweet.
On another note, watched SickMotion as top kassa vs a hermerderper. He destroyed lane, but still lost 3 towers and got 0 because hermer put banner of command on cannon minions. Ap champs cannot even touch em, must try :p
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On December 10 2014 11:20 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 06:30 wei2coolman wrote:that ahri skin is new levels of terri-bad. + Show Spoiler +it's fucking sick if you grew up in the 80s
tbh I find it a pretty disappointing Jun skin if that's what it's really supposed to be
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wait so is new season of ranked starting tomorrow or is that still in january
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I do really hope it's January but they say that new Ahri skin is "start of the new season" so I'm confused a bit right now.
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I like that there are several buffs to try and bring back champs into competitive that have fallen out (e.g. Yasuo), but can some other champs that haven't been sighted in years get something too? The shining light in this patch has to be the small amount of attention given to Cho and Galio. More of that please.
That Ahri skin is trash. Why give her another skin and do a terrible job?
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