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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 08 2014 14:27 GMT
#1461
On October 08 2014 23:10 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 23:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 08 2014 21:00 Numy wrote:
On October 08 2014 20:59 Sufficiency wrote:
The original Karma was one of the worst champions in the game.


There was even a team comp that involved her in the game. Hardly one of the worst, she wasn't great but not terrible either. There were far worse heroes in the game.


Not worst in terms of power. Worst in terms of design.

And how do you judge that, o great Sufficiency?


Her playstyle involves mostly just oneshotting the wave with R'E + Q and baiting people with her passive. She can't actually do much beyond that.

It's kind of like AP Yi, but less dangerous and just as frustrating.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 08 2014 14:28 GMT
#1462
Don't see what was so bad about old Karma. Half-ultimate was was a neat mechanic. She actually felt quite strong when you had decent gold and a strong melee carry to support. Her problem was she played a support role while still relying on gold, and she lacked a game changer like Orianna (who is otherwise similar).
I am the Town Medic.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 08 2014 14:31 GMT
#1463
On October 08 2014 23:27 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 23:10 Scip wrote:
On October 08 2014 23:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 08 2014 21:00 Numy wrote:
On October 08 2014 20:59 Sufficiency wrote:
The original Karma was one of the worst champions in the game.


There was even a team comp that involved her in the game. Hardly one of the worst, she wasn't great but not terrible either. There were far worse heroes in the game.


Not worst in terms of power. Worst in terms of design.

And how do you judge that, o great Sufficiency?


Her playstyle involves mostly just oneshotting the wave with R'E + Q and baiting people with her passive. She can't actually do much beyond that.

It's kind of like AP Yi, but less dangerous and just as frustrating.

And, you know, healing peoples in fights like a beast and shielding and speeding them with maybe some room for creative positioning, but nevermind that.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 08 2014 14:32 GMT
#1464
She was clearly designed as a support, but she sucked at it. When she was accidentally found to be a toxic mid laner and she was very toxic for the role. She put mindless lane shove to a brand new level.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 08 2014 14:59 GMT
#1465
Damn, so toxic. Toxic Karma so toxic middle laner, bad design and toxic.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 08 2014 15:03 GMT
#1466
Old karma did have that cool wisp tether though.
Freeeeeeedom
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 08 2014 15:09 GMT
#1467
On October 08 2014 23:59 Scip wrote:
Damn, so toxic. Toxic Karma so toxic middle laner, bad design and toxic.


But Toxic Toxic Toxic, if Toxic then Toxic Toxic Toxic Toxic?
SUNSFANNED
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 08 2014 15:13 GMT
#1468
Can toxic now be one of those new words where you can have the same word repeated over and over to still form a sentence?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 08 2014 15:16 GMT
#1469
Old karma was fun...
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 08 2014 15:19 GMT
#1470
What is all this this stuff with Jungle changing on the PBE? Can they go one season without fucking with it?
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 15:25:28
October 08 2014 15:22 GMT
#1471
Are we so void of discussion that we're bringing up the merits of a rework from March 2013?

On October 09 2014 00:19 Requizen wrote:
What is all this this stuff with Jungle changing on the PBE? Can they go one season without fucking with it?

No, Riot has no clue what it's doing in the jungle. They build up this new vision of an ideal situation they want, then later decide it isn't what they want anymore, tear is down, and wait for the offseason to try again.

You know, like a woman.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#1472
On October 09 2014 00:22 Gahlo wrote:
Are we so void of discussion that we're bringing up the merits of a rework from March 2013?

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:19 Requizen wrote:
What is all this this stuff with Jungle changing on the PBE? Can they go one season without fucking with it?

No, Riot has no clue what it's doing in the jungle. They build up this new vision of an ideal situation they want, then later decide it isn't what they want anymore, tear is down, and wait for the offseason to try again.

You know, like a woman.

huh? like an amazon woman setting up the jungle?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 08 2014 15:38 GMT
#1473
On October 09 2014 00:22 Gahlo wrote:
Are we so void of discussion that we're bringing up the merits of a rework from March 2013?

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:19 Requizen wrote:
What is all this this stuff with Jungle changing on the PBE? Can they go one season without fucking with it?

No, Riot has no clue what it's doing in the jungle. They build up this new vision of an ideal situation they want, then later decide it isn't what they want anymore, tear is down, and wait for the offseason to try again.

You know, like a woman.

and who says sexism isn't prevalent in gaming?
liftlift > tsm
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 08 2014 15:42 GMT
#1474
I don't even know if that's sexist. That's just nonsensical. It's like saying you can never plug your USB stick into your computer right the first time because you're black.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 15:44:33
October 08 2014 15:44 GMT
#1475
On October 09 2014 00:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I don't even know if that's sexist. That's just nonsensical. It's like saying you can never plug your USB stick into your computer right the first time because you're black.

I think you're forgetting the fact that everything is sexism and the fault of patriarchy, an easy mistake to make.

If we didn't have patriarchy Riot would stop changing the jungle every season.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 08 2014 15:44 GMT
#1476
Come on now Gahlo, the gender shot isn't necessary.

I an annoyed that I apparently have to totally relearn the game next session, but whatever. Might be good, might be bad.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 08 2014 15:45 GMT
#1477
On October 09 2014 00:44 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I don't even know if that's sexist. That's just nonsensical. It's like saying you can never plug your USB stick into your computer right the first time because you're black.

I think you're forgetting the fact that everything is sexism and the fault of patriarchy, an easy mistake to make.

cis euro male scum.

The only thing that bugs me about jungle changes is that it's always the same type of heroes that end up being played again despite them changing it a million times.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 08 2014 15:46 GMT
#1478
On October 09 2014 00:44 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I don't even know if that's sexist. That's just nonsensical. It's like saying you can never plug your USB stick into your computer right the first time because you're black.

I think you're forgetting the fact that everything is sexism and the fault of patriarchy, an easy mistake to make.

If we didn't have patriarchy Riot would stop changing the jungle every season.

No that's Obama, you're mixing it up again :/
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 08 2014 15:55 GMT
#1479
So this is what being a euro feels like.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 08 2014 15:58 GMT
#1480
On October 09 2014 00:55 Gahlo wrote:
So this is what being a euro feels like.

Do you also have a smug sense of superiority because you talked about a touchy subject?
It's your boy Guzma!
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