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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 18 2014 22:30 GMT
#401
On July 19 2014 07:27 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 07:24 Amui wrote:
On July 19 2014 06:17 Dark_Chill wrote:
Has he been successful in bot lane? Because I think that's what people were saying is going to be worse.

If he's in a lane where he can win trades, he can simply win them harder now. He was already one of the least mana heavy carries in bot lane. It's almost what vayne would be if she had burst damage.

man you guys remember when lucian was "olafed/butchered/gutted/lucian'd" and was horrible and no one was ever gonna play him again?


Lucian is dead. Long live Lucian.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 18 2014 22:30 GMT
#402
I don't really like the cdr builds on the new Lucian. ER in particular seems really unnecessary given that his mana costs are lower than they used to, and it's not as if Lucian's cooldowns on his skills are high to begin with. Maybe I'm just completely wrong given that the new Lucian has been out for two days, but the more standard builds that were used before still feel better to me.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22415 Posts
July 18 2014 22:32 GMT
#403
On July 19 2014 07:30 koreasilver wrote:
I don't really like the cdr builds on the new Lucian. ER in particular seems really unnecessary given that his mana costs are lower than they used to, and it's not as if Lucian's cooldowns on his skills are high to begin with. Maybe I'm just completely wrong given that the new Lucian has been out for two days, but the more standard builds that were used before still feel better to me.

for top lane im going Brut>TF>BotrK with CDR boots somewhere in there. maybe ER has a use in bot lane for the big AD boost but i would never get it for top.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 18 2014 22:34 GMT
#404
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?
Glorious SEA doto
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 18 2014 22:42 GMT
#405
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
Show nested quote +
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
July 18 2014 22:51 GMT
#406
meh i said at the start that i knew it wasn't a nerf =P
Must not sleep, must warn others
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 18 2014 22:57 GMT
#407
On July 19 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.


Or if its Xerath.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 18 2014 23:00 GMT
#408
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
Show nested quote +
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Inc permaban
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 18 2014 23:03 GMT
#409
On July 19 2014 05:29 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:27 obesechicken13 wrote:
While I'd love to get on the "Ha TL was wrong again, Lucian range nerfs not that big of a deal" hype train, it's only 1 day of stats. It's a lot of games so it's not likely to be mis-representative but we should wait. Meanwhile Kayle weeps in a corner D:

and you know, no one is saying well the range nerf didn't hurt him. its more the massive buff to his dash that is making him threatening.

not to mention that when a lot of people (including me) thought Lucian was dead after 50 range nerf, I didn't realize that the change to his dash meant that each passive activation reduces the cd on his E by 4 seconds, not just 2.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 18 2014 23:04 GMT
#410
Xelnath was moved on another, bigger project (from where he appears and what he talks about it looks like he's on an upper echelon since then) said I think Meddler awhile ago.
Guess it still works if he was moved on a project deemed higher priority because of whining.

And the guy working on Shen's bug said it wasn't his normal attribution and he only worked on it when he found time in parallel of his main assignment.
I mean, it's only the 4th time now I mention it here when someone brings up Shen's bug and where they're at. Glad to see people pay attention to the red tracker and people replying to their questions here. :|
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 18 2014 23:11 GMT
#411
On July 19 2014 08:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 05:29 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 19 2014 05:27 obesechicken13 wrote:
While I'd love to get on the "Ha TL was wrong again, Lucian range nerfs not that big of a deal" hype train, it's only 1 day of stats. It's a lot of games so it's not likely to be mis-representative but we should wait. Meanwhile Kayle weeps in a corner D:

and you know, no one is saying well the range nerf didn't hurt him. its more the massive buff to his dash that is making him threatening.

not to mention that when a lot of people (including me) thought Lucian was dead after 50 range nerf, I didn't realize that the change to his dash meant that each passive activation reduces the cd on his E by 4 seconds, not just 2.

I noticed that and I was skeptical that 50 range makes up for the ability to out trade most other ADCs. I mean just in a standard rotation you could dash aa q aa w aa and have dash up again to either chase or disengage.

Seeing the videos just made it more apparent how the lucian change made him a bursty vayne, strictly better than graves.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 18 2014 23:13 GMT
#412
On July 19 2014 08:11 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 08:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 19 2014 05:29 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 19 2014 05:27 obesechicken13 wrote:
While I'd love to get on the "Ha TL was wrong again, Lucian range nerfs not that big of a deal" hype train, it's only 1 day of stats. It's a lot of games so it's not likely to be mis-representative but we should wait. Meanwhile Kayle weeps in a corner D:

and you know, no one is saying well the range nerf didn't hurt him. its more the massive buff to his dash that is making him threatening.

not to mention that when a lot of people (including me) thought Lucian was dead after 50 range nerf, I didn't realize that the change to his dash meant that each passive activation reduces the cd on his E by 4 seconds, not just 2.

I noticed that and I was skeptical that 50 range makes up for the ability to out trade most other ADCs. I mean just in a standard rotation you could dash aa q aa w aa and have dash up again to either chase or disengage.

Seeing the videos just made it more apparent how the lucian change made him a bursty vayne, strictly better than graves.

Which further crowds out Quinn, because that was her niche as an AD.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 23:33:34
July 18 2014 23:15 GMT
#413
I mean, I still think Lucian is going to have a really hard time in a 2v2 against Trist/Kog/Cait/Twitch, but if teams are willing to lane swap or just run him mid Lucian is probably still reasonably strong. I think it's also possible that Lucian is no longer really an AD carry, but more of a mid laner.

That's basically what teams did in order to be able to run Vayne. Lane swap the Vayne and everything will be ok. Vayne fell out of favor mostly because Twitch/pre-4.12 Lucian were just too good to not run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 18 2014 23:16 GMT
#414
So, according to reddit, homeguard Sorc boots gives 30 flat pen by mistake. lol
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
July 18 2014 23:41 GMT
#415
On July 19 2014 08:16 Gahlo wrote:
So, according to reddit, homeguard Sorc boots gives 30 flat pen by mistake. lol

lol

just tested and it's true

http://imgur.com/a/RyUps

that's hilarious
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 18 2014 23:43 GMT
#416
upgraded boots have been temporarily disabled and anyone that has been found using sorc boots has been banned for abusing this game breaking bug that was our fault thank you have nice day
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 18 2014 23:53 GMT
#417
On July 19 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.


They've done 6 reworks this year. Multiple lesser played champions have been buffed to bring them back a bit. On the PBE right now, they're looking to buff Hecarim, Velkoz, Vayne, Sivir and Graves. There's also a Sona rework that's nearing completion.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22415 Posts
July 18 2014 23:54 GMT
#418
On July 19 2014 08:43 FinestHour wrote:
upgraded boots have been temporarily disabled and anyone that has been found using sorc boots has been banned for abusing this game breaking bug that was our fault thank you have nice day

Go whine somewhere else.
At worst they might disable homeguards on sorcs but its unlikely they will do even that. Just going to get fixed next patch or in a hotfix soonish.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 00:09:29
July 19 2014 00:09 GMT
#419
bonk!
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 00:25:24
July 19 2014 00:17 GMT
#420
On July 19 2014 08:53 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.


They've done 6 reworks this year. Multiple lesser played champions have been buffed to bring them back a bit. On the PBE right now, they're looking to buff Hecarim, Velkoz, Vayne, Sivir and Graves. There's also a Sona rework that's nearing completion.

Could easily be doing wayyy more real changes instead of giving a champ a 20s cd reduction on ult when it doesn't fix it's problems.If those are the type of changes they want to focus on they could do them for the other 50 champions that are lacking atm(like always).They stopped releasing champs so they rework the existing guys that isn't exactly impressive or w/e.

Maybe I am being unrealistic but riot's everything is just awfully slow.There was talk about a warwick rework 3 months ago as well and there haven't really been any news about it.

Also after reading those patch notes vayne's tumble crits did seem a bit higher than they should be lol.
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