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[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 22

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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 19 2014 00:26 GMT
#421
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
July 19 2014 00:29 GMT
#422
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

You mean like making homeguard give 15 mpen?

:p
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21525 Posts
July 19 2014 00:30 GMT
#423
On July 19 2014 09:29 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

You mean like making homeguard give 15 mpen?

:p

How does that have anything to do with his comment...
LoL is a complex game, shit happens.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 19 2014 00:35 GMT
#424
On July 19 2014 09:17 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 08:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 19 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.


They've done 6 reworks this year. Multiple lesser played champions have been buffed to bring them back a bit. On the PBE right now, they're looking to buff Hecarim, Velkoz, Vayne, Sivir and Graves. There's also a Sona rework that's nearing completion.

Could easily be doing wayyy more real changes instead of giving a champ a 20s cd reduction on ult when it doesn't fix it's problems.If those are the type of changes they want to focus on they could do them for the other 50 champions that are lacking atm(like always).They stopped releasing champs so they rework the existing guys that isn't exactly impressive or w/e.


Maybe I am being unrealistic but riot's everything is just awfully slow.There was talk about a warwick rework 3 months ago as well and there haven't really been any news about it.

Also after reading those patch notes vayne's tumble crits did seem a bit higher than they should be lol.


There was a post that had an entire kit rework for Warwick. They probably just felt that there were still issues with it and had to tweak it or scrap it completely and start over or whatever. He's still a pretty popular champion, so it's also not like it's a huge priority. This Lucian change was also pretty huge.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
July 19 2014 00:38 GMT
#425
So it seems the news has propogated through euw pretty quick, last game 5 people had homeguarded sorc boots as their first full item.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 19 2014 00:40 GMT
#426
On July 19 2014 08:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 08:43 FinestHour wrote:
upgraded boots have been temporarily disabled and anyone that has been found using sorc boots has been banned for abusing this game breaking bug that was our fault thank you have nice day

Go whine somewhere else.
At worst they might disable homeguards on sorcs but its unlikely they will do even that. Just going to get fixed next patch or in a hotfix soonish.


i feel bad for u that u cant see obvious jokes
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 19 2014 00:49 GMT
#427
On July 19 2014 09:35 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 09:17 nafta wrote:
On July 19 2014 08:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 19 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
On July 19 2014 07:34 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/red-post-collection-even-more-meddler-q.html
"Update on this, since I forgot to report back earlier. As far as my data is showing, the bug has been stopped. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, so I'm going to spend half an hour before the next patch updating my logging info to get even closer to knowing the root cause.

Shen freedom incoming?

Reading posts like this is always so annoying.Feels like they aren't really doing anything.I mean do you guys remember there was going to be a yorick rework?A sion rework?Tons of changes for underplayed champs being "planned" but never actually happen.

Realistically the only changes that do happen is if community whines enough or riot decide a champ/item has had enough time in the spotlight :/.


They've done 6 reworks this year. Multiple lesser played champions have been buffed to bring them back a bit. On the PBE right now, they're looking to buff Hecarim, Velkoz, Vayne, Sivir and Graves. There's also a Sona rework that's nearing completion.

Could easily be doing wayyy more real changes instead of giving a champ a 20s cd reduction on ult when it doesn't fix it's problems.If those are the type of changes they want to focus on they could do them for the other 50 champions that are lacking atm(like always).They stopped releasing champs so they rework the existing guys that isn't exactly impressive or w/e.


Maybe I am being unrealistic but riot's everything is just awfully slow.There was talk about a warwick rework 3 months ago as well and there haven't really been any news about it.

Also after reading those patch notes vayne's tumble crits did seem a bit higher than they should be lol.


There was a post that had an entire kit rework for Warwick. They probably just felt that there were still issues with it and had to tweak it or scrap it completely and start over or whatever. He's still a pretty popular champion, so it's also not like it's a huge priority. This Lucian change was also pretty huge.

Was talking about that exact post.Seemed like a pretty cool idea.Definitely way better than his current kit.

Couldn't really care if riot rush and release something op.They can just nerf it not a big deal.

Also holy shit warwick pick rate is pretty high wtf.I guess not seeing a single one in months doesn't really mean anything.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
July 19 2014 00:54 GMT
#428
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?



After worlds, I'd love for them to release some broken as shit reworks, as long as they could get it somewhat back in balance for S5.
@miicah88
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 19 2014 01:12 GMT
#429
Heh, does anyone have any idea if getting a hurricane makes lucian refresh his dash every attack?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
July 19 2014 01:30 GMT
#430
On July 19 2014 10:12 PrinceXizor wrote:
Heh, does anyone have any idea if getting a hurricane makes lucian refresh his dash every attack?

no it doesnt
pretty sure it was said on page 1 or 2 too.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 19 2014 01:30 GMT
#431
On July 19 2014 09:54 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?



After worlds, I'd love for them to release some broken as shit reworks, as long as they could get it somewhat back in balance for S5.


This does raise an interesting problem, because they do the "full game reworks" like jungle between seasons thus it shifts attention away from doing champ reworks.

IMO, they should just release the reworks ASAP even if they are "broken" and just be bolder about having them be global bans for competitive for more than 1 patch. IMO that is one of the dumbest unofficial rules Riot has, is that they wont just keep a broken champion that has been changed recently globally banned until it is more manageable. For instance, Braum shouldn't have been competitive enabled until at least 4.11, feral flare till 4.6 etc.
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TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
July 19 2014 01:49 GMT
#432
On July 19 2014 09:38 killerdog wrote:
So it seems the news has propogated through euw pretty quick, last game 5 people had homeguarded sorc boots as their first full item.


Man, homeguard sorcs are my favourite mana regen item, guess my experience with them has been pretty misguided / will shortly crash.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 19 2014 01:49 GMT
#433
On July 19 2014 10:30 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 10:12 PrinceXizor wrote:
Heh, does anyone have any idea if getting a hurricane makes lucian refresh his dash every attack?

no it doesnt
pretty sure it was said on page 1 or 2 too.

no way it was said early in this thread. it was filled far too much with RIP lucian and other various things for it to have been said early.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 19 2014 01:52 GMT
#434
On July 19 2014 09:29 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

You mean like making homeguard give 15 mpen?

:p

I'm kinda lost on this, was there a glitch on homeguard sorcerer boots?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 19 2014 01:54 GMT
#435
On July 19 2014 10:52 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 09:29 killerdog wrote:
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

You mean like making homeguard give 15 mpen?

:p

I'm kinda lost on this, was there a glitch on homeguard sorcerer boots?

Yep. If you have Homeguard Sorc's gives 15 bonus mpen lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 01:59:57
July 19 2014 01:59 GMT
#436
Pretty sure thatthe bug with homeguard Sorcs giving 30 Mpen happened at some point in the past too, i remember reading it on TL. the game is so weirdly coded. on PBE they tried a timer system like the camps for summoners and zhonya's ended up having no cooldown as a result. They really need to just stop updating the game for a year and recode everything so its designed to be expanded upon, instead of everything being put in piecemeal like it is now and causing these random bugs over and over.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 19 2014 02:04 GMT
#437
On July 19 2014 10:54 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 10:52 MooMooMugi wrote:
On July 19 2014 09:29 killerdog wrote:
On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

You mean like making homeguard give 15 mpen?

:p

I'm kinda lost on this, was there a glitch on homeguard sorcerer boots?

Yep. If you have Homeguard Sorc's gives 15 bonus mpen lol.

Thats pretty hilarious, just like how Ardent Censor gave everyone on the team anywhere they were bonus ms lol
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
July 19 2014 02:06 GMT
#438
It looks like a pretty new bug, I saw some korean streamer do it right when the new patch hit.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
July 19 2014 02:07 GMT
#439
On July 19 2014 10:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
Pretty sure thatthe bug with homeguard Sorcs giving 30 Mpen happened at some point in the past too, i remember reading it on TL. the game is so weirdly coded. on PBE they tried a timer system like the camps for summoners and zhonya's ended up having no cooldown as a result. They really need to just stop updating the game for a year and recode everything so its designed to be expanded upon, instead of everything being put in piecemeal like it is now and causing these random bugs over and over.


As nice as that would be, it's pretty obviously just straight-up not feasible to be able to devote so much time to something with not-really-major long-term benefits at a massive short-term cost. Everyone tries to make them out as this super rich company, and while I'm sure they have access to tons of resources, it's just not a smart move for them to do something like this.

I'm sure they're improving their code as they go, but it's a long, slow process, and some things just aren't going to get fixed until they absolutely have to be.
:3
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 19 2014 02:09 GMT
#440
On July 19 2014 11:07 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 10:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
Pretty sure thatthe bug with homeguard Sorcs giving 30 Mpen happened at some point in the past too, i remember reading it on TL. the game is so weirdly coded. on PBE they tried a timer system like the camps for summoners and zhonya's ended up having no cooldown as a result. They really need to just stop updating the game for a year and recode everything so its designed to be expanded upon, instead of everything being put in piecemeal like it is now and causing these random bugs over and over.


As nice as that would be, it's pretty obviously just straight-up not feasible to be able to devote so much time to something with not-really-major long-term benefits at a massive short-term cost. Everyone tries to make them out as this super rich company, and while I'm sure they have access to tons of resources, it's just not a smart move for them to do something like this.

I'm sure they're improving their code as they go, but it's a long, slow process, and some things just aren't going to get fixed until they absolutely have to be.

well the art and sound teams aren't really going to be helping with the coding, so they can keep pumping out income in the form of skins just fine. bonus is that the competitive scene gets a stable meta for the first time.
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