[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 23

On July 19 2014 09:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Would you rather Riot change things slowly and take their time on reworks or have them rush everything and potentially release something completely broken?

On July 18 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, I'm pretty fucking sure Riot made doombots mode to teach people how to split push effectively.

On July 19 2014 10:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
Pretty sure thatthe bug with homeguard Sorcs giving 30 Mpen happened at some point in the past too, i remember reading it on TL. the game is so weirdly coded. on PBE they tried a timer system like the camps for summoners and zhonya's ended up having no cooldown as a result. They really need to just stop updating the game for a year and recode everything so its designed to be expanded upon, instead of everything being put in piecemeal like it is now and causing these random bugs over and over.

On July 19 2014 11:59 obesechicken13 wrote:

I think splitpushing is still a bad strat in yoloqueue if behind due to tp cd and the small size of the map.

On July 19 2014 12:16 NeoIllusions wrote:

Reading all your criticisms of Riot can be rather tiring at times. Not sure if it's hyperbole or just naivety to suggest that Riot should stop the game and recode everything but I suggest you read this article.

Riot does a lot wrong but also plenty of right. They certainly aren't the best but I do think they have the right intentions, etc.

If you're going to be critical of anything, I strongly believe that 1) you know what you're talking about (in this case, you code or at the very, very least, you've taken a CS course in high school or uni, and 2) you should have a better suggestion. 2 isn't mandatory but 1 seems necessary otherwise you're really just running your mouth on something you don't know much about.

On July 19 2014 12:16 NeoIllusions wrote:

Reading all your criticisms of Riot can be rather tiring at times. Not sure if it's hyperbole or just naivety to suggest that Riot should stop the game and recode everything but I suggest you read this article.

Riot does a lot wrong but also plenty of right. They certainly aren't the best but I do think they have the right intentions, etc.

If you're going to be critical of anything, I strongly believe that 1) you know what you're talking about (in this case, you code or at the very, very least, you've taken a CS course in high school or uni, and 2) you should have a better suggestion. 2 isn't mandatory but 1 seems necessary otherwise you're really just running your mouth on something you don't know much about.

On July 19 2014 12:27 PrinceXizor wrote:

the road to hell neo. of course starting from scratch is bad there is no way to be certain of everything that has been done over the years and to be sure to include them in a new code. but sifting through your code and trying to have it actually function without breaking itself, is not a bad idea. recoding something when you have everything in front of you, isn't starting from scratch, its looking through the code intently and trying to see what is causing all the unintended interactions and finding ways to prevent it. You misunderstood what i was saying. Waiting for the problems to pop up to try to fix them is chasing a ghost. and will only result in a potential Big One. That's no good. there is only so much shoelace and chewing gum to go around.

i don't criticize riot just for the sake of it. but they have plenty to criticize. they've done things well in the past and i've given them credit for it. but seeing the same bug pop up twice now. they clearly aren't even finding the source of the bugs as much as hotfixing them so the bugs don't show.

I don't know how some people can be so adamant in defense of riot because "oh they mean well". at some point it begins to sound like a parent ignoring the trouble their child is causing out of love.

On July 19 2014 12:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
As for the bolded part, humor me a find me a critical post by you that actually praises Riot for anything they've done. From sifting through your past 500 posts, I've found posts where you've insinuated Riot balances champions based on their bottom line to claiming they're all about sound bites.

On July 19 2014 13:13 PrinceXizor wrote:

The first link was referencing a comment made by the lead designer of riot Here. so its a bit unfair to read anything else into it.
The second is a rather fair observation based on the past two years of what riot communicates publicly compared to what they do. i was hardly the only person to make that sort of statement either.

As for complementing riot, Besides Praising them for their work on garen. I also complemented them on The designs of three other champions that I think they did a good job on designing the kit of here.

hasn't been too much else to praise them for though, as we don't know how they are picking the groups for worlds yet so i can't praise them on sorting that out better than last year until we get that info. their recent changes have been going far from their intended results, and the public comments have been very PR-y and not really informative at all so there is nothing to praise except good job PR department. There haven't been major changes to the game yet for me to reassess the direction they are taking the game, and since braum, a champion i already said riot did a good job with, there has not been a new one released.

maybe uh, the rumor that the next event thing is about shurima is good because shurima has been involved with the best lore so far? meh.

On July 19 2014 13:21 Amarok wrote:

If Riot does next to nothing worth praising then why are you here?

On July 19 2014 13:26 xes wrote:
The only place I know of that writes bug free code is NASA. Everywhere else fixes it with fast patch cycles and strong beta testing.

Because no one actually plays on PBE (in the sense that they play on live, they're just there to dick around; compared to be on the dev release of new android where you actually just swithc over to it and use it) I'm sure that's why half the stuff doesn't work.

Old bugs that pop up are also notoriously difficult to fix if they are from an issue buried deep within years of code that probably started out as a very rushed job. Since Riot was founded by some money execs, they probably did not implement the best practices to start, so even though I'm sure they're buying into all of the Agile Data Scrum Paired Rapid Proto Development Science there will be deep problems that take forever to fix.

On July 19 2014 13:01 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Doom bots were really disappointing. Sure they can easily win teamfights but I've won every game just by avoiding fight, split pushing, and proxy pushing the lanes that they group up in. They would not tank tower for some reason so once you deny them the wave, their push ends.