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On June 28 2014 09:18 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too. He isnt gonna do near as much as Vayne will by any stretch of the imagination. If he can get a full Gatling gun off yeah maybe but when youre trying to kite thats not gonna happen
10% of damage before reduction as true and a lot of magic damage. he'll do fine enough for it to not be a problem, same as vayne.
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On June 28 2014 09:44 Crusnik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:07 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On June 28 2014 05:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think with DotA people are super annoying the second they get in game. For some reason voice chat is just more toxic than normal chat and it can cause people to tilt almost instantly. You have to be fast to mute.
What.. Voice chat is like any chat. You'll get people being dicks and people not being dicks. I never use voice chat myself in these games but lots of people do. I've yet to find anyone "toxic" in it and the few times I come across anyone being annoying but not bad I just mute the guy same as I would if he was typing. This whole thing reeks of a PR move so they don't have to try implement the system. If they could do the same with replays I'm sure they would but they can only just ignore replays while hoping people forget in that case. I just finished my placements and I think this was what it was like when I was climbing the beginning of the ladder and doing placements in LoL again. I'd say 90% of games have a dc so that speaks to the toxicity of the players I'm playing with. My last game had 3 dcs. The one before tha at had a dc. The one before that had 2 dcs. The one before that didn't have any. People are so toxic in placements. Like the first thing someone will say in voice chat is something like "get wards" and because it's so demanding and I don't want to be a ward bitch, it causes me to get mad and tilt. Then there's more whining and it's not like text whining because it happens more frequently. People don't whine as much through text because then they can't focus on last hitting. I guess part of this stems from DotA not punishing people for leaving placement matches and I hope it gets better over time. Hopefully league voice chat won't reveal that all players past placement are still toxic. Asshole Queue is a thing in Dota, and it exists from every mode, including bot games, so I don't know how you think placements aren't punished in Dota. As far as voice chatting is concerned, I never care personally, since even when I was a console player, I always sat in a private chat with whoever I was playing with, or just on my own since I never bothered with the randoms. I think generally, at least on PC, people are more apt to be toxic if you're a dick, and less likely if you're nice/none-confrontational. Console players are completely different, no one talks on it, except for the 12 year olds/rap blasting idiots/kinect users, I would honestly take voice chat over text since it's easier to tell someone that they're being a douchebag and to shut up. People generally shutup if you can burn them badly enough. If you're playing ranked, and you're playing a support, you should be getting wards. I don't see how that's an issue, yeah, you don't also buy the courier, but you should get observer wards, and share one with someone else so that both are down without you needing to place them yourself. Some heroes are generally considered supports, and if you were playing someone like CM, Visage, or Dazzle, I can understand the person telling you get wards. Some people are curt, I know I am when I'm playing, I, and others don't do it to be dicks, but it happens.
It specifically says "You may leave this match without penalty because it's one of your first 10" or something.
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On June 28 2014 09:48 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:18 arb wrote:On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too. He isnt gonna do near as much as Vayne will by any stretch of the imagination. If he can get a full Gatling gun off yeah maybe but when youre trying to kite thats not gonna happen 10% of damage before reduction as true and a lot of magic damage. he'll do fine enough for it to not be a problem, same as vayne.
that 30 damage is gonna add up im sure l0l.(and thats being lenient)
him and vayne are not even in the same league as tank killing adcs, especially not against garen and def not in this situation
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On June 28 2014 09:54 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:48 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 09:18 arb wrote:On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too. He isnt gonna do near as much as Vayne will by any stretch of the imagination. If he can get a full Gatling gun off yeah maybe but when youre trying to kite thats not gonna happen 10% of damage before reduction as true and a lot of magic damage. he'll do fine enough for it to not be a problem, same as vayne. that 30 damage is gonna add up im sure l0l.(and thats being lenient) him and vayne are not even in the same league as tank killing adcs, especially not against garen and def not in this situation
eh vaynes passive at lvl one in the mid game is only gonna deal at most 120 damage every 3 hits. so they aren't too far off, and the magic damage vs a hero who has 0 mres items is gonna add up when the active isn't on.
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On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too.
Vayne can condemn Garen away which helps a lot too. Corki Valkryies away, Garen's Q comes up in a second and then he sits on your face again.
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On June 28 2014 09:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:54 arb wrote:On June 28 2014 09:48 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 09:18 arb wrote:On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too. He isnt gonna do near as much as Vayne will by any stretch of the imagination. If he can get a full Gatling gun off yeah maybe but when youre trying to kite thats not gonna happen 10% of damage before reduction as true and a lot of magic damage. he'll do fine enough for it to not be a problem, same as vayne. that 30 damage is gonna add up im sure l0l.(and thats being lenient) him and vayne are not even in the same league as tank killing adcs, especially not against garen and def not in this situation eh vaynes passive at lvl one in the mid game is only gonna deal at most 120 damage every 3 hits. so they aren't too far off, and the magic damage vs a hero who has 0 mres items is gonna add up when the active isn't on.
It's not just ability skill we are talking about. We are talking about 7800g adc. With the gold, Vayne buildpath, which is Botrk and PD, makes her specialized in killing tanks, while Corki buildpatch, which is TF+LW, does not.
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On June 28 2014 10:02 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too. Vayne can condemn Garen away which helps a lot too. Corki Valkryies away, Garen's Q comes up in a second and then he sits on your face again.
corki also has tri force to help him kite. i'm not saying corkis better than vayne at it or anything, but its hardly a vayne or bust situation.
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idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank
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On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly. Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki. On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold). Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol. Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh.
Wow, lol. I just looked at his wiki and never realized he had those steroids (because I never see him). So I guess its not as bad as I thought. I was just like "wtf, I did more damage to shyvana (as Corki) last game when I was even!?"
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On June 28 2014 10:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank
Nah, that was the same sentiment in the entire history of LoL. Twitch is just a tank buster.
On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen?
this sounds like the Rengar complaint.
Where's the TL outcry that Garen is stupidly op'd and wants Riot to nerf the living shit out of him?
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On June 28 2014 10:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 10:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank Nah, that was the same sentiment in the entire history of LoL. Twitch is just a tank buster. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen? this sounds like the Rengar complaint. Where's the TL outcry that Garen is stupidly op'd and wants Riot to nerf the living shit out of him?
he's one of the few champions with a fair established and unique power curve, hard to be mad at him for being good at his speciality and little else. when rengar insta kills someone they typically continue to do so all game, and when they get tanky they can continue to be as effective all game due to his scaling. garen peaks and then falls off.
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On June 28 2014 10:21 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 10:15 wei2coolman wrote:On June 28 2014 10:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank Nah, that was the same sentiment in the entire history of LoL. Twitch is just a tank buster. On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen? this sounds like the Rengar complaint. Where's the TL outcry that Garen is stupidly op'd and wants Riot to nerf the living shit out of him? he's one of the few champions with a fair established and unique power curve, hard to be mad at him for being good at his speciality and little else. when rengar insta kills someone they typically continue to do so all game, and when they get tanky they can continue to be as effective all game due to his scaling. garen peaks and then falls off.
Garen hardly falls off, he scales great into lategame, the difference is his scaling turns into how tanky he can get, as opposed damage.
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Garen scales extremely well actually and his 1v1 potential early is still very high. I think he's a strong pick, but not mainstream or OP. Does very well with teams that can do something when you Q in. W gives a LOT of mitigation and he has high base stats. Flash Q is a good way to shut down a lot of individual champs that can do nothing but run away and rely on team when you silence them in the face and start spinning. Still, when flash isn't up you're easily kited and you basically scale with team coordination and inversely with enemy team coordination lol.
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On June 28 2014 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 10:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 28 2014 10:15 wei2coolman wrote:On June 28 2014 10:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank Nah, that was the same sentiment in the entire history of LoL. Twitch is just a tank buster. On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen? this sounds like the Rengar complaint. Where's the TL outcry that Garen is stupidly op'd and wants Riot to nerf the living shit out of him? he's one of the few champions with a fair established and unique power curve, hard to be mad at him for being good at his speciality and little else. when rengar insta kills someone they typically continue to do so all game, and when they get tanky they can continue to be as effective all game due to his scaling. garen peaks and then falls off. Garen hardly falls off, he scales great into lategame, the difference is his scaling turns into how tanky he can get, as opposed damage.
and pure tankyness with little else isn't exactly very strong in the late game. you need damage in the late game. having almost no damage in the late game makes him more irrelevant than other characters that can be tanky and deal damage. thats why he trails off. yeah he gets tankier than everyone, but he doesn't DO much outside of that tankyness. no lockdown, no disables except a melee range silence and little damage.
a theoretical champion that never dies except to towers/baron and only deals 100 melee dps with all his abilities and has no other form of utility isn't going to DO anything for your team.in the late game.he'll be useful early because the damage is equivalent to others at the time and he's not going to die. mid game similar things, the early team fights he's still a threat to the squishies who are forced to act around him, but once they get say a GA or something to kite them with defensive stats, they aren't going to be worried much, because they can win the 5v4 and then ignore you late.
garens late game is about maximizing his silence and being scary looking, whether or not thats enough to be better than other tanky champions depends on the value you put on his silence compared to everything they can do.
when you pick garen you are picking him knowing he falls off late compared to his early and mid game power. if you pick him expecting him to scale into the late game just as strong relatively as he is in the early and mid game, then you are making a mistake drafting him.
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I don't know about Garen scaling EXTREMELY well. -________-;; He gets kited hard. But he isn't as bad as people make it seem.
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Garen is also a pretty good splitpusher midgame, he can be halfway across the map and as long as you don't get caught incredibly badly he can sprint over and DEMACIAAAAA someone
Also, being able to build two offense items because of W being so powerful is pretty nice.
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watching XWX play... it almost seems to me that he use dumbcast (or at least he is using indicators)
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On June 28 2014 13:18 Sufficiency wrote:
watching XWX play... it almost seems to me that he use dumbcast (or at least he is using indicators)
nah nah nah you don't get to call it dumb cast. we call it two positives. smartcast and accuratecast. Or we call it lazycast and dumbcast and no one is happy. 
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On June 28 2014 10:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 10:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk about post nerfs but twitch makes you hate your life as a tank Nah, that was the same sentiment in the entire history of LoL. Twitch is just a tank buster. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen? this sounds like the Rengar complaint. Where's the TL outcry that Garen is stupidly op'd and wants Riot to nerf the living shit out of him?
I don't really think tank buster when i think about twitch. I think about some stupid stealthed rat lighting up my backline and evaporating 2 or 3 squishies in 3 seconds
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anyone feel like new skarner wll be getting nerfed soon? seems super strong but i don't know how the high elos/proscene are viewing him
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