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On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage.
L_st Whi_p_r
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On June 28 2014 05:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think with DotA people are super annoying the second they get in game. For some reason voice chat is just more toxic than normal chat and it can cause people to tilt almost instantly. You have to be fast to mute.
What..
Voice chat is like any chat. You'll get people being dicks and people not being dicks. I never use voice chat myself in these games but lots of people do. I've yet to find anyone "toxic" in it and the few times I come across anyone being annoying but not bad I just mute the guy same as I would if he was typing.
This whole thing reeks of a PR move so they don't have to try implement the system. If they could do the same with replays I'm sure they would but they can only just ignore replays while hoping people forget in that case.
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On June 28 2014 07:04 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 06:54 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 06:00 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 05:55 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 05:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 04:21 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 02:55 Frudgey wrote:
Hey I had a random question about Jarvan jungle. Do you guys go spirit of the elder lizard on him or spirit of the ancient golem? I can never decide. 4.10: Always Lizard. 4.11: If you need to be the tank, Golem. Can you post the changes to the jungle items? Hopefully the jungle items are getting some combat stats (ancient golem and lizard since the other 2 do get decent amounts of combat stats over time) AP Sej D1 guy streaming: http://www.twitch.tv/mister_oink They're in the PBE thread. I don't see the links. Try again this time, actually look at the thread. Do you mean this one? It doesn't show me the stats for the jungle items.
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On June 28 2014 07:08 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:04 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 06:54 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 06:00 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 05:55 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 05:42 obesechicken13 wrote:On June 28 2014 04:21 Gahlo wrote:On June 28 2014 02:55 Frudgey wrote:
Hey I had a random question about Jarvan jungle. Do you guys go spirit of the elder lizard on him or spirit of the ancient golem? I can never decide. 4.10: Always Lizard. 4.11: If you need to be the tank, Golem. Can you post the changes to the jungle items? Hopefully the jungle items are getting some combat stats (ancient golem and lizard since the other 2 do get decent amounts of combat stats over time) AP Sej D1 guy streaming: http://www.twitch.tv/mister_oink They're in the PBE thread. I don't see the links. Try again this time, actually look at the thread. Do you mean this one? It doesn't show me the stats for the jungle items.
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On June 28 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 05:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think with DotA people are super annoying the second they get in game. For some reason voice chat is just more toxic than normal chat and it can cause people to tilt almost instantly. You have to be fast to mute.
What.. Voice chat is like any chat. You'll get people being dicks and people not being dicks. I never use voice chat myself in these games but lots of people do. I've yet to find anyone "toxic" in it and the few times I come across anyone being annoying but not bad I just mute the guy same as I would if he was typing. This whole thing reeks of a PR move so they don't have to try implement the system. If they could do the same with replays I'm sure they would but they can only just ignore replays while hoping people forget in that case.
I just finished my placements and I think this was what it was like when I was climbing the beginning of the ladder and doing placements in LoL again. I'd say 90% of games have a dc so that speaks to the toxicity of the players I'm playing with.
My last game had 3 dcs. The one before tha at had a dc. The one before that had 2 dcs. The one before that didn't have any.
People are so toxic in placements. Like the first thing someone will say in voice chat is something like "get wards" and because it's so demanding and I don't want to be a ward bitch, it causes me to get mad and tilt. Then there's more whining and it's not like text whining because it happens more frequently. People don't whine as much through text because then they can't focus on last hitting.
I guess part of this stems from DotA not punishing people for leaving placement matches and I hope it gets better over time. Hopefully league voice chat won't reveal that all players past placement are still toxic.
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On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r
Ezreal does fine damage late game if you poke and stack his passive(which isnt hard) along side being one of the slipperiest adcs in theg ame
the key to doing damage on Ezreal is to not be one of those retards who only uses Q, and runs in circles while its on cd and then asks why they dont do any damage
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On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly.
Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki.
On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r
Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold).
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On June 28 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly. Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold).
he spent 4600 gold on three cost efficient multiplicative states (hp, armor, tabi passive damage reduction) you spent 7800 gold on two, (crit and damage). add to that garens built in forth multiplicative % bonus resist increase, and active ability for 30% more damage reduction and its pretty easy to see why you weren't doing much damage to him.
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On June 28 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly. Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold).
Garen is THE tankiest champ in the game outside an ali with ult up. Tabi's cuts your damage by 10%, and sunfire another 20-25%ish, while adding 500hp. Then his W will cut it by another ~10% passively, and 30% while it's active. Napkin math tells me you'll be doing roughly 20-25% of base damage, which is equivalent to attacking a 300-400 armor target, who will likely have around 2-2.5k hp.
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On June 28 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly. Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold).
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh.
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On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh.
corki could do just fine too.
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On June 28 2014 08:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:
Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol.
Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh. corki could do just fine too.
He isnt gonna do near as much as Vayne will by any stretch of the imagination.
If he can get a full Gatling gun off yeah maybe
but when youre trying to kite thats not gonna happen
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On June 28 2014 08:57 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 08:26 cLutZ wrote:On June 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. Isnt that normal for EZ? He has great mobility and safety but hes not going to break a tank quickly. Yea, but this was just silly, his mobility isn't THAT much better than Lucian or Corki. On June 28 2014 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 28 2014 06:56 cLutZ wrote:
Good god, Ezreal needs a damage boost, or they need to just make him even more ridiculously safe. I was smashing my last game and was on TF + IE and still couldn't shred through a Garen with Sunfire + Tabis in reasonable amount of time. We won, but I still didn't do crap for damage. L_st Whi_p_r Of course, Im not an idiot but I had 7800 G of items vs. 4600 (he had a raw giants belt as well). Like, that is pretty ridiculous to not just clown him. The game ended before this could be tested, but I dont think the situation would have been all that much better if I was + LW and he had finished that GB into a randuins and probably had a cowl (he had to have been sitting on a decent amount of gold). Ya once you add in Garens passive, he probably had the same or more gold than you lolol. Any adc besides like Vayne isnt gonna do much to him tbh.
Varus might be ok too, assuming you have enough gold to be able to get off some AAs before popping the W passive % HP damage with an E or Q.
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So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen?
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On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen?
Its not really a question that Vayne is the most apt imo, to be able to actually hurt him atleast
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On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen?
Mostly, it's also about how gold efficient most of the defensive items are and how gold inefficient some of the ADC items are (depending upon the ADC of course).
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On June 28 2014 09:22 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:20 canikizu wrote:
So the new topic is which 7800g adc can 1v1 against 4600g Garen? Mostly, it's also about how gold efficient most of the defensive items are and how gold inefficient some of the ADC items are (depending upon the ADC of course).
Garen has ridiculous built in tanky steroids
hardly a fair discussion using him IMO.
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I think Garen's supposed to be stronger midgame before ADC scaling kicks in. His full combo doesn't kill Ez though. He needs ignite, several autos, sunfire for several seconds, or a teammates help to kill Ez.
On June 28 2014 09:36 nafta wrote:
Vayne with bork/ghostblade would outdamage every single ad champ by faaaar vs any tanky champ.
I think Kog is faster.
Not sure about a maxed out Q Tristana.
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Vayne with bork/ghostblade would outdamage every single ad champ by faaaar vs any tanky champ.
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On June 28 2014 08:07 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On June 28 2014 05:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think with DotA people are super annoying the second they get in game. For some reason voice chat is just more toxic than normal chat and it can cause people to tilt almost instantly. You have to be fast to mute.
What.. Voice chat is like any chat. You'll get people being dicks and people not being dicks. I never use voice chat myself in these games but lots of people do. I've yet to find anyone "toxic" in it and the few times I come across anyone being annoying but not bad I just mute the guy same as I would if he was typing. This whole thing reeks of a PR move so they don't have to try implement the system. If they could do the same with replays I'm sure they would but they can only just ignore replays while hoping people forget in that case. I just finished my placements and I think this was what it was like when I was climbing the beginning of the ladder and doing placements in LoL again. I'd say 90% of games have a dc so that speaks to the toxicity of the players I'm playing with. My last game had 3 dcs. The one before tha at had a dc. The one before that had 2 dcs. The one before that didn't have any. People are so toxic in placements. Like the first thing someone will say in voice chat is something like "get wards" and because it's so demanding and I don't want to be a ward bitch, it causes me to get mad and tilt. Then there's more whining and it's not like text whining because it happens more frequently. People don't whine as much through text because then they can't focus on last hitting. I guess part of this stems from DotA not punishing people for leaving placement matches and I hope it gets better over time. Hopefully league voice chat won't reveal that all players past placement are still toxic.
Asshole Queue is a thing in Dota, and it exists from every mode, including bot games, so I don't know how you think placements aren't punished in Dota. As far as voice chatting is concerned, I never care personally, since even when I was a console player, I always sat in a private chat with whoever I was playing with, or just on my own since I never bothered with the randoms. I think generally, at least on PC, people are more apt to be toxic if you're a dick, and less likely if you're nice/none-confrontational. Console players are completely different, no one talks on it, except for the 12 year olds/rap blasting idiots/kinect users, I would honestly take voice chat over text since it's easier to tell someone that they're being a douchebag and to shut up. People generally shutup if you can burn them badly enough.
If you're playing ranked, and you're playing a support, you should be getting wards. I don't see how that's an issue, yeah, you don't also buy the courier, but you should get observer wards, and share one with someone else so that both are down without you needing to place them yourself. Some heroes are generally considered supports, and if you were playing someone like CM, Visage, or Dazzle, I can understand the person telling you get wards. Some people are curt, I know I am when I'm playing, I, and others don't do it to be dicks, but it happens.
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On June 28 2014 09:36 obesechicken13 wrote:I think Garen's supposed to be stronger midgame before ADC scaling kicks in. His full combo doesn't kill Ez though. He needs ignite, several autos, sunfire for several seconds, or a teammates help to kill Ez. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 09:36 nafta wrote:
Vayne with bork/ghostblade would outdamage every single ad champ by faaaar vs any tanky champ. I think Kog is faster. Not sure about a maxed out Q Tristana.
I dunno with 7800g, dorans + boots + ie/pd is about all you could expect, unless you went pork/pd i guess.
Trist is pretty meh till 6 item anyway, Vayne way stronger in this situation tbh. Realistically you could probably kite like a god and kill him with just Bork if you were good enough though. lolol.
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