[Patch 4.10] Nidalee/Skarner Rework General Discussion - P…

On June 28 2014 23:32 VayneAuthority wrote:


yea gotta love the favoritism, skarner is viable for a single patch immediate nerfs. Elise, lee sin, eve every game. "yea we good here"

champions like urgot and olaf in the dumpster, nidalee is weak for one patch. OMG HURRY BUFF HER WTF

and nidalee isnt even that weak in the hands of somebody that knows what they are doing top which is the worst part.

On June 28 2014 23:22 Alaric wrote:
On the subject of duoQs since it was discussed 2-3 days ago:
Guy picks Yasuo as 2nd pick, spams "mid or feed". His duoQ, 5th pick, instalocks GP and they immediatly swap, while the mid guy keeps spamming.
They're Plat III and Silver I in a Gold I-II Elo game.

So you combo the huge level discrepancy, the ballscrap attitude, and their total lack of communication (apart from the "trolling" that probably makes these kids giggle), and well... I don't even care about the result. The attitude already makes the game shitty.


So far I've also met 5 people (including 2 today) who admitted to trolling on purpose knowing the tribunal's down and as long as they don't flame (to get chat restrictions) they're fine.
Like, when you know it must at least prevent some people from doing it, isn't that basic logic not to tell them they're clear now, Riot? Oo

On June 29 2014 01:17 Alaric wrote:
I've never seen a Silver guy troll and waste a high Gold game by himself, nope. You can switch the tiers around a bit if you want.

On June 29 2014 01:34 wei2coolman wrote:

Does it matter his rank if he's going to troll? I've had plat guys troll the living shit out of my silver promo games. Your point? Doesn't matter the rank if they're going to do toxic shit.

On June 29 2014 02:07 Nos- wrote:

yango already brought up this point where it's basically a game of how hard the higher elo of the duo can carry the lower, it produces shitty games regardless of trolling or otherwise more often than not and that's what riot's attempting to fix. Take a fucking chill pill and stop posting irrelevant shit

On June 29 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
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At least pretend like you try to read what I write or whatever. Huge level gap and trolling are stacking issues. I've been talking about a single trolling duo, and about level gap in general. I know you tend to not produce much quality in your posts because you disregard a bunch of shit but that's no excuse.

On June 29 2014 02:35 wei2coolman wrote:

The variance is found in solo queue too, even in games where everyone is within 10 mmr of each other, you still gunna get retards that feed like 10 kills in a lane, while some guy from jungle is trying to carry with like 10 kills and insane farm.

It's just normal game variance from players, not fucking "ZOMG DUO QUEUE SO TOXIC".

I disregard a bunch of shit, because it's fucking pointless shit. What exactly is so toxic that happens when duo queues are in your games that don't happen in regular games? Regardless of rank/mmr/elo. Cuz all the shit you guys are talking about with "toxic players", or "trolling", or "feeding", or "guy carrying my ass", all that shit happens in normal solo queue variance.

Cuz if you're talking about having a guy feed 10 kills cuz he's a skill gap lower than the other dude, that shit happens all the time even if they are matched by same mmr.

On June 29 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote:
And another observed case of Thresh flaying during her ult... and it functioning.

On June 29 2014 02:46 clickrush wrote:


but you can assume that it happens more often if one guy has lower mmr which is why huge gap duo is a bad thing. you can't deny that mmr matters over the course of several games at least and that you can make predictions on which side wins. that also means that the high ranked player is likely gonna wreck a lane by himself but I think its more fun if the skillgap isn't as huge in a ranked game. the variance doesn't save you from mmr being a strong or even the only objective indicator of someone's skill.

On June 29 2014 06:31 Volband wrote:
Help me out here, because I had a game where I had no idea what to do with our advantage. It was a platinum game, so let's say the average skill level was plat 3.

We were: Sona, Kassadin, Fizz, Vi, Draven
They were: Leona, Kha6, Nasus, Skarner, Kog

The game was a cluterfuck for a long time, because the 3 assassins kept getting kills everywhere, and everyone just kep dying in random places. Kha6 was fed, he was our biggest foe, but we were stronger in an actual 5v5. We had baron, were trying to siege 2nd mid turret, but they just had too good waveclear and we were just standing there. Eventually someone snapped, got dragegd by skarner, Vi initiated back, and we lost the fight miserably. But before the fight, I knew it would end something like this, but I had zero idea what else could we do with 2 assassins. If we rotate to bot or top, they just follow us . We had no reliable splitpusher; maybe Kass with teleport, they had Nasus with tele, so yeah, it felt like a stalemate.

On June 29 2014 06:31 Volband wrote:
Help me out here, because I had a game where I had no idea what to do with our advantage. It was a platinum game, so let's say the average skill level was plat 3.

We were: Sona, Kassadin, Fizz, Vi, Draven
They were: Leona, Kha6, Nasus, Skarner, Kog

The game was a cluterfuck for a long time, because the 3 assassins kept getting kills everywhere, and everyone just kep dying in random places. Kha6 was fed, he was our biggest foe, but we were stronger in an actual 5v5. We had baron, were trying to siege 2nd mid turret, but they just had too good waveclear and we were just standing there. Eventually someone snapped, got dragegd by skarner, Vi initiated back, and we lost the fight miserably. But before the fight, I knew it would end something like this, but I had zero idea what else could we do with 2 assassins. If we rotate to bot or top, they just follow us . We had no reliable splitpusher; maybe Kass with teleport, they had Nasus with tele, so yeah, it felt like a stalemate.

On June 28 2014 21:17 Alaric wrote:
^ Who's Keane? A known soloQ player or someone on a challenger team?

Got the pleasure to lane againt my first Nidalee. Wtf, she's so overtuned. And with 2 PB-AoE spells not requiring vision nor to aim to hit, and the range increase on her Q (Wukong received a range increase on his because of the awfully long animation, Vi on her E because she has nothing to stick and a long-ish animation too, how does Nid need that QoL on Takedown? Oo) she can completely ignore the creep wave when trading, regardless of whether she applied her passive or not.

I mean, technically she already did, but because she was ranged. Even in her melee form she can pretty much ignore any issues with pathing, jukes, vision, etc. and she's assured to hit 2 first.
I already knew she was stupid if she applied her passive, and that she was almost as stupid as Jayce in concept, though. What really disgusts me is how low the changes make her skill floor actually be. Unless there's a jungler camping her at early levels (which would be naive because Pounce), the non-prey base damage combined with short cooldowns and a ranged form make her pretty damn brainless. The subtlety of ranged off laners like old Nid pre-6 and Kennen's pretty much nowhere in this one and it kinda saddens me (sure, it was gone altogether previously, but I hoped there'd be some measure of skill floor in the new Nidalee when brought back top).

Edit: Hecarim's E and ult deal no damage even if he gets the animation off if he gets knocked back after the spell starts.
Like. REALLY?
For shame, as if I didn't have enough bullshit to deal with when playing Vi, my other jungler is filled with shit that takes his basic functioning away from him?

On June 29 2014 11:00 Gahlo wrote:
Shit, I'm in the same promo series for the 10th time...

On June 29 2014 03:23 Alaric wrote:
It is. I've mentioned several times in the bug report forum (and here 'cause QQ) that displacement work on it at several points during the ult (right at the start, right before she lifts off, and right before she slams the target). It's been this way for months (so I assume since release) but it's never been as much as acknowledged.

I just saw a 5:30 NLR support Morgana. I'd be glad to try and stay Gold I but 9 games like that in a row kinda tells you "even if there's no Elo hell, just go fuck yourself poor sap trying to play".
Or the Rengar who dies level 1 to Riven, receives a kill, stays in lane at mid-HP and gives another as soon as she comes back instead of backing with his 15+ cs advantage.