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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 19 2014 05:00 GMT
#461
On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL.

I had a cool idea for doom bot vayne too, everytime she invis tumbles, 5 fake clones come out that do 1/4 of her damage. would be fucking awesome.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 19 2014 06:08 GMT
#462
I am just going to put this here.

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https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 19 2014 06:11 GMT
#463
And hey what do you know!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/462102-patch-412-rip-lucian-general-discussion?page=2#21
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 06:43:51
July 19 2014 06:43 GMT
#464
it would also be extremely anti-fun in URF
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 19 2014 06:49 GMT
#465
On July 19 2014 15:43 Kupon3ss wrote:
it would also be extremely anti-fun removed in URF

Porouscloud - NA LoL
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 19 2014 07:02 GMT
#466
On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL.

The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 19 2014 07:16 GMT
#467
On July 19 2014 16:02 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL.

The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making.

Well, not really, you could just have the bot just be extremely aggressive in lane, and out. Should make a Cass bot that does what the Cass hacks do.
liftlift > tsm
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 19 2014 08:36 GMT
#468
On July 19 2014 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 16:02 Goumindong wrote:
On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL.

The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making.

Well, not really, you could just have the bot just be extremely aggressive in lane, and out. Should make a Cass bot that does what the Cass hacks do.

That would unfortunately absolutely slaughter about 95% of coop v ai players, and 100% as a doom bot. While some people can outplay a bot on one of the most mechanical champs in the game, most people can't.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 08:39:31
July 19 2014 08:39 GMT
#469
On July 19 2014 12:24 wei2coolman wrote:
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On July 19 2014 11:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 18 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, I'm pretty fucking sure Riot made doombots mode to teach people how to split push effectively.

I think splitpushing is still a bad strat in yoloqueue if behind due to tp cd and the small size of the map.

splitpushing done right is the best way to solo carry in yolo queue imo.

yeah, i don't think a recode of lol is going to realistically happen until Riot wants to release LoL 2.

I think it works better in normals where you might face a team of 5 and your opponents might have a few lower division players who don't react properly to it, but I rarely see people win a game when behind through split pushing anymore.

Last time that happened was with proxy singed.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 19 2014 08:53 GMT
#470
On July 19 2014 17:39 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 12:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 19 2014 11:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 18 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, I'm pretty fucking sure Riot made doombots mode to teach people how to split push effectively.

I think splitpushing is still a bad strat in yoloqueue if behind due to tp cd and the small size of the map.

splitpushing done right is the best way to solo carry in yolo queue imo.

yeah, i don't think a recode of lol is going to realistically happen until Riot wants to release LoL 2.

I think it works better in normals where you might face a team of 5 and your opponents might have a few lower division players who don't react properly to it, but I rarely see people win a game when behind through split pushing anymore.

Last time that happened was with proxy singed.


Honestly in my experience Tryndamere is the only one that can really splitpush to victory regardless of score/gold difference, and then you could argue that his team isnt really 'behind' at all.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 19 2014 09:19 GMT
#471
So when do we get to play as doombots?
Useless wet fish.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
July 19 2014 09:50 GMT
#472
While creating AI capable of beating top human opponents is certainly interesting from an academic perspective, there really wouldn't be much point for a game company like Riot releasing anything like that. Most players who play against AI want to feel like they are being challenged while still winning in the end. Most players are also Silver or lower in terms of skill. Bots strong enough that, say a team of Plat players could only beat them 50% of the time, would actually frustrate a large portion of the player base who would never stand a chance of beating them ever. It would certainly be possible (easy even, as long as the AI can cheat like the doombots), but it would unfortunately not make much sense for Riot to do something like that.
Creator of LoLTool.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 19 2014 10:27 GMT
#473
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 19 2014 11:04 GMT
#474
You may think they are because viper bot is bodying you
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 19 2014 11:05 GMT
#475
On July 19 2014 10:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 10:30 arb wrote:
On July 19 2014 10:12 PrinceXizor wrote:
Heh, does anyone have any idea if getting a hurricane makes lucian refresh his dash every attack?

no it doesnt
pretty sure it was said on page 1 or 2 too.

no way it was said early in this thread. it was filled far too much with RIP lucian and other various things for it to have been said early.

Page 10.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 19 2014 11:46 GMT
#476
On July 19 2014 13:42 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 13:01 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Doom bots were really disappointing. Sure they can easily win teamfights but I've won every game just by avoiding fight, split pushing, and proxy pushing the lanes that they group up in. They would not tank tower for some reason so once you deny them the wave, their push ends.

For me, doom bots suffer from the classic ai issue in that they must cheat, and cheat badly to win. My first game I played vayne and dodged all skill shots, bit still due to doom veigar because, targeted spells. Plus, over that, it's really all about having non bronze teammates instead of being actually competent.

Imo the mode would be better if it was like the old modes that were PvP with cool mods. I'd love to be able to play doom ez, or lux once in a while, but bots are really only there for fwotd if I'm tired.

Yup, targeted spells are cheating.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 19 2014 12:12 GMT
#477
I'd be fine with gps parrrlay being a skillshot, most of the time you're in melee anyway, and veigars is easy enough to hit after you land the stun.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 19 2014 13:40 GMT
#478
Curious to see if now that the word that new Lucian is "op" is out if his win rate dips back down.

it would really be good for my(and others') theory that being fotm hurts your win rate pretty badly
Carrilord has arrived.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 14:00:24
July 19 2014 14:00 GMT
#479
On July 19 2014 22:40 Slusher wrote:
Curious to see if now that the word that new Lucian is "op" is out if his win rate dips back down.

it would really be good for my(and others') theory that being fotm hurts your win rate pretty badly

It dips because word is he is OP.
He is considered nerfed. Only picked by people who know how to play him > pick rate down, win rate up
Word gets out he might be OP. People pick him without knowing what they are doing > Win rate gos down again.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
July 19 2014 14:04 GMT
#480
It's obvious that his winrate went up with the kneejerk terrible Lucians stopping from playing him, so obviously only the people who play him now are beating up on the kneejerkians, thus resulting in a higher winrate.
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