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On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater.
The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing.
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On July 20 2014 02:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater. The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing.
and even perfect chain cc is not that big of a deal considering you can still flash in between due to the way its coded.
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When are they removing that btw? >_>
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On July 20 2014 02:49 Alaric wrote:
When are they removing that btw? >_>
they intentionally added it a while back. Its here to stay until they think better of it.
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On July 20 2014 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:43 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater. The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing. and even perfect chain cc is not that big of a deal considering you can still flash in between due to the way its coded.
Not for dota bots you can't.
It's not possible for players in SC2 to micro like automaton 2000. Similarly, I don't think anyone can last hit as cleanly as bots.
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On July 20 2014 02:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater. The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing.
hm, morgana q in a circle? just off the top of my head
edit DOTA bots nvm
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On July 20 2014 02:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 20:46 Gahlo wrote:On July 19 2014 13:42 cLutZ wrote:On July 19 2014 13:01 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Doom bots were really disappointing. Sure they can easily win teamfights but I've won every game just by avoiding fight, split pushing, and proxy pushing the lanes that they group up in. They would not tank tower for some reason so once you deny them the wave, their push ends. For me, doom bots suffer from the classic ai issue in that they must cheat, and cheat badly to win. My first game I played vayne and dodged all skill shots, bit still due to doom veigar because, targeted spells. Plus, over that, it's really all about having non bronze teammates instead of being actually competent. Imo the mode would be better if it was like the old modes that were PvP with cool mods. I'd love to be able to play doom ez, or lux once in a while, but bots are really only there for fwotd if I'm tired. Yup, targeted spells are cheating. Lol, was just pointing out they still only win by using an instant stun followed immediately by targeted nukes that do double or triple what is balanced. Don't know why you felt I was butthurt about joke mode, its just less cool than possible.
I thought it was funny. Never said you were butthurt. 
On July 20 2014 02:55 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:On July 20 2014 02:43 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater. The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing. and even perfect chain cc is not that big of a deal considering you can still flash in between due to the way its coded. Not for dota bots you can't.
This is like people in Arizona complaining about the heat and somebody going "But it's cold in Antarctica."
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On July 20 2014 02:55 Gahlo wrote:
This is like people in Arizona complaining about the heat and somebody going "But it's cold in Antarctica."
No its more like Gorsameth confusing which game they were talking about.
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On July 20 2014 02:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:55 Gahlo wrote:
This is like people in Arizona complaining about the heat and somebody going "But it's cold in Antarctica." No its more like Gorsameth confusing which game they were talking about.
a little :p yes for Dota bots is a big deal that they can chain perfectly :p
LoL bots not so much
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On July 19 2014 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 16:02 Goumindong wrote:On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL. The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making. Well, not really, you could just have the bot just be extremely aggressive in lane, and out. Should make a Cass bot that does what the Cass hacks do.
For some champions yes, but then you just pick someone that beats them and... bots are overaggressive and dumb and feed.
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On July 20 2014 02:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:20 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 19 2014 19:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Not sure if I'm just bad at DotA or valve is a wizard. But dota bots actually feel extremely well coded Dota bots can deny though. Leaving you with like no farm and chain cc hurts in that game. That's almost like cheating in my books, as downloading a script to do the same thing would make you a cheater. The bots aren't doing anything players can't do though, the perfect chain cc is probably the only questionable thing.
The pain of blinking in with a squishy hero against Lion Bot is real :<
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On July 20 2014 02:23 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 02:15 Chemiczny84 wrote:
how do you counter gragas top right now? He has so much sustain I have no idea... Only way I figured is a ban, and that's not always possible...
Only champ I have had decent results vs him is aatrox.Gragas appears to be the new renekton though.Reks everyone but actually scales well.
I did really well with vlad in lane vs gragas seemed like as long as u used your minons to avoid early body slams he couldn't win any trades
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On July 20 2014 03:14 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 19 2014 16:02 Goumindong wrote:On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL. The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making. Well, not really, you could just have the bot just be extremely aggressive in lane, and out. Should make a Cass bot that does what the Cass hacks do. For some champions yes, but then you just pick someone that beats them and... bots are overaggressive and dumb and feed.
i dunno if you've seen cass bot, that thing can 1v5 at lvl 1.
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So trist is picked in like 3/4 of games now and never banned yet. I feel like fixing all her weird bugs and giving rapid fire 0 mana cost put her in a really really good spot (also lucian nerfed huehue), I can't count the number of times I've been carried/reked by trist in solo queue these days I wonder if they will eventually need to nerf her. Where can I check if her global winrate went up ?
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On July 20 2014 04:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 03:14 Goumindong wrote:On July 19 2014 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 19 2014 16:02 Goumindong wrote:On July 19 2014 13:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't see why they can't make a doom vayne bot and just put the AI from one of those vayne hacks into place. That shit would be legitimately hard LOL. The bot hacks require player input. Hacks replace the mechanical skill of the player by dodging skill shots for them. Bots dodge skills shots just fine (with a few exceptions). It's not the raw skill that the bots lack it's decision making. Well, not really, you could just have the bot just be extremely aggressive in lane, and out. Should make a Cass bot that does what the Cass hacks do. For some champions yes, but then you just pick someone that beats them and... bots are overaggressive and dumb and feed. i dunno if you've seen cass bot, that thing can 1v5 at lvl 1.
No, it can't. And cass bot require human input, just like every other hack does. They cannot perform alone
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On July 20 2014 06:18 RouaF wrote:
So trist is picked in like 3/4 of games now and never banned yet. I feel like fixing all her weird bugs and giving rapid fire 0 mana cost put her in a really really good spot (also lucian nerfed huehue), I can't count the number of times I've been carried/reked by trist in solo queue these days I wonder if they will eventually need to nerf her. Where can I check if her global winrate went up ?
she is fluctuating around 52-55% winrate in solo queue in diamond.
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On July 20 2014 06:18 RouaF wrote:
So trist is picked in like 3/4 of games now and never banned yet. I feel like fixing all her weird bugs and giving rapid fire 0 mana cost put her in a really really good spot (also lucian nerfed huehue), I can't count the number of times I've been carried/reked by trist in solo queue these days I wonder if they will eventually need to nerf her. Where can I check if her global winrate went up ?
The biggest 'buff' to Tristana was the same buff that Kog got. The BT nerf.
With the decline of BT first adc Trist and Kog get punished less in lane while maintaining there superior lategame scaling thus they get picked up more in LCS.
Its simply changing 2 standard best adc for 2 different onces and tbh I dont think there is a way to prevent this cycle from happening
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On July 20 2014 06:18 RouaF wrote:
So trist is picked in like 3/4 of games now and never banned yet. I feel like fixing all her weird bugs and giving rapid fire 0 mana cost put her in a really really good spot (also lucian nerfed huehue), I can't count the number of times I've been carried/reked by trist in solo queue these days I wonder if they will eventually need to nerf her. Where can I check if her global winrate went up ?
I dont know, but they do seem to be removing the early game weaknesses from late game champions a lot recently and the "fix" seems to be an attack on the champions' base stats.
Edit: Her strength isn't just the BT changes, its basically that teams getting increasingly good at hiding champions early, and that Riot still hasn't figured out that minion damage to champions is too high earlygame as well.
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anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before
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On July 20 2014 06:38 IamPryda wrote:
anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before
spectral wraith is still the go to mummy item.
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