[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 28

On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote:

i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing

On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:

yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.

On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:

yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.

On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.

On July 20 2014 10:46 arb wrote:

they were sure right about lucian being useless right?

basically poster above me is right

On July 16 2014 09:40 wei2coolman wrote:

Her midrange still sucks. Just the bt nerfs made it more bearable. Kog still a tier above trist in competitive imo. Smoother powercurve makes kog stronger, which is pretty important considering how snowbally dragon has become again.

Lucian probably gunna have to be played in 2v1 lane with this range change... and maybe hit botrk asap and then use extreme midgame slipperiness to fight skirmish like fights? At least in competitive

On July 20 2014 10:46 wei2coolman wrote:

In Starcraft you fucking scout that shit out, and modify your build, and most pro's try to delay their pool as much as possible way later. You have like 5 minutes in beginning of game to determine your machete build path, and 99% of the time, spectral wraith is the better buy over Ancient Golem, and it's been this way for a long ass time. High elo or low elo, unless you're actually so fucking bad that you can't land any of amumu's ability, in that case you should probably uninstall instead of playing the game.

How well did Qtpie do in that tourney? cuz iirc, he got butt blasted. And we're talking about azingy's main here. This is the shit that got him to super high elo on NA, I'm pretty fucking sure he knows a lot more about the mummy than arb. But, maybe Noobville has some Jungling Mummy 101 class that I'm not aware of.


Still said it might be viable in competitive in midgame scenario.... Don't know what you're trying to say here arb..

On July 20 2014 11:55 SidianTheBard wrote:
Ever since this doom bot patch I've been getting so much worse latency in game. I usually play at ~140 (yeah it sucks but it's playable) but since this doom bot patch it's constantly ~180+ and will spike up to 2k+ for like 2 or 3 seconds at a time, really annoying. Everything else I use my net for it's exactly the same as it's always been, so it's gotta be something with league. Annoying as hell.

Also, my mouse sensitivity drops when I get into game. Only started doing that since this patch as well. It's not like it drops much but it feels like it's just 1 notch lower or something, really weird.

On July 20 2014 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Average win rate vs Doom Bots is 51%.

On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.

On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote:


Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does".

come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work

That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu

On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.

On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.