[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 28
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On July 20 2014 09:56 Fusilero wrote: That'd probably be alright, I still think that wraith ---> sorc is good atm. I don't feel like I'm lacking any earlygame damage when I open with that before going tanky. It's that precise 3k window that feels crappy to me. | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote: i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote: yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol. I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes: 1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example. 2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order. | ||
arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote: yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol. they were sure right about lucian being useless right? basically poster above me is right | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote: I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes: 1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example. 2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order. In Starcraft you fucking scout that shit out, and modify your build, and most pro's try to delay their pool as much as possible way later. You have like 5 minutes in beginning of game to determine your machete build path, and 99% of the time, spectral wraith is the better buy over Ancient Golem, and it's been this way for a long ass time. High elo or low elo, unless you're actually so fucking bad that you can't land any of amumu's ability, in that case you should probably uninstall instead of playing the game. How well did Qtpie do in that tourney? cuz iirc, he got butt blasted. And we're talking about azingy's main here. This is the shit that got him to super high elo on NA, I'm pretty fucking sure he knows a lot more about the mummy than arb. But, maybe Noobville has some Jungling Mummy 101 class that I'm not aware of. On July 20 2014 10:46 arb wrote: they were sure right about lucian being useless right? basically poster above me is right On July 16 2014 09:40 wei2coolman wrote: Her midrange still sucks. Just the bt nerfs made it more bearable. Kog still a tier above trist in competitive imo. Smoother powercurve makes kog stronger, which is pretty important considering how snowbally dragon has become again. Lucian probably gunna have to be played in 2v1 lane with this range change... and maybe hit botrk asap and then use extreme midgame slipperiness to fight skirmish like fights? At least in competitive Still said it might be viable in competitive in midgame scenario.... Don't know what you're trying to say here arb.. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On July 20 2014 10:46 wei2coolman wrote: In Starcraft you fucking scout that shit out, and modify your build, and most pro's try to delay their pool as much as possible way later. You have like 5 minutes in beginning of game to determine your machete build path, and 99% of the time, spectral wraith is the better buy over Ancient Golem, and it's been this way for a long ass time. High elo or low elo, unless you're actually so fucking bad that you can't land any of amumu's ability, in that case you should probably uninstall instead of playing the game. How well did Qtpie do in that tourney? cuz iirc, he got butt blasted. And we're talking about azingy's main here. This is the shit that got him to super high elo on NA, I'm pretty fucking sure he knows a lot more about the mummy than arb. But, maybe Noobville has some Jungling Mummy 101 class that I'm not aware of. Still said it might be viable in competitive in midgame scenario.... Don't know what you're trying to say here arb.. Since i've played in beta Mummy has always been a mash r and win champion to me, after you hit r you run around with w on and headbutt people and then mash e when its up. Never been a fan of going any sort of ap outside of abyssal(which has tank stats + a good aura for your team) in general. Maybe has no idea what they're doing was a bad statement but whatever aint even worried about it. I mean sure if you already have a tank top lane/snowballing go ahead and build it who cares, i'd rather not be squishy and feel like i'm going to die when the wind blows too hard. Especially when retards in my elo go it regularly and die mid bandage toss or eat 2 spells before a fight and cant do anything because they're worthless as fuck. Who know's maybe it is superior now(which wouldnt surprise me) since quill coat sucks dick. But i'd still much prefer the tankiness into sunfire/abyssal and cdr later than i would some extra ap anyday tbh. | ||
IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
plus the difference in damage on your q is a noticeable difference between wraith and golem | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and his ratios are pretty good so it's not like wraith is straight up bad. honestly the real advantage to golem previously is how stupid good an earily pair of tabi are on him, now it makes no difference if you have golem or not. | ||
SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
Also, my mouse sensitivity drops when I get into game. Only started doing that since this patch as well. It's not like it drops much but it feels like it's just 1 notch lower or something, really weird. | ||
zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On July 20 2014 11:55 SidianTheBard wrote: Ever since this doom bot patch I've been getting so much worse latency in game. I usually play at ~140 (yeah it sucks but it's playable) but since this doom bot patch it's constantly ~180+ and will spike up to 2k+ for like 2 or 3 seconds at a time, really annoying. Everything else I use my net for it's exactly the same as it's always been, so it's gotta be something with league. Annoying as hell. Also, my mouse sensitivity drops when I get into game. Only started doing that since this patch as well. It's not like it drops much but it feels like it's just 1 notch lower or something, really weird. Might want to try switching to Google's DNS (there's a a support page on how to change that). I had similar issues over the last few patches and eventually I couldn't even connect, and that helped. | ||
zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On July 20 2014 08:25 Sufficiency wrote: Average win rate vs Doom Bots is 51%. Why no unranked/pre-level 30s? I'm actually pretty interested in that, there was a level 12 person on Soaraka in my doom bots level 1 game. >_> (It was fine, I was just a little surprised a level 12 is playing against doom bots). | ||
Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote: I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes: 1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example. 2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order. Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does". come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote: Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does". come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion. | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote: Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion. D1, tons of games on AMumu? like.... Azingy? | ||
nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote: Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion. Lolskill is such a weird site.Wish they would post some explanations on how they grade people. Like the first amumu is a guy in challenger from tr who is negative in everything but deaths with 600 games.2nd amumu is d1 21 points with 570 games still negative in everything but deaths. Like sure kda doesn't really mean much but seems rather odd. | ||
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