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[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 30

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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 09:57:47
July 20 2014 09:48 GMT
#581
On July 20 2014 18:45 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 17:49 Amui wrote:
On July 20 2014 17:22 killerdog wrote:
I for one hope lucian gets butchered in the next patch, so we can get a "rip rip lucian" thread

I think it should be RIP "RIP" Lucian.

EDIT: capitalization

The casters for IEM REALLY annoy me. It's not "sao mei". "Chao mei" is closer, and is a reasonable anglicization that at least shows some effort.

i've been saying cow mei personally

I suppose one way to describe the proper pronunciation is chow without the h sound. So same beginning and end as chow, but without the the h sound. Cow is acceptable, although a bit lazy. The female caster saying "cow mei..excuse me..sao mei" irritates me to no end though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
July 20 2014 10:28 GMT
#582
On July 20 2014 18:48 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 18:45 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 17:49 Amui wrote:
On July 20 2014 17:22 killerdog wrote:
I for one hope lucian gets butchered in the next patch, so we can get a "rip rip lucian" thread

I think it should be RIP "RIP" Lucian.

EDIT: capitalization

The casters for IEM REALLY annoy me. It's not "sao mei". "Chao mei" is closer, and is a reasonable anglicization that at least shows some effort.

i've been saying cow mei personally

I suppose one way to describe the proper pronunciation is chow without the h sound. So same beginning and end as chow, but without the the h sound. Cow is acceptable, although a bit lazy. The female caster saying "cow mei..excuse me..sao mei" irritates me to no end though.


Just call him strawberry. Its easier and is the same thing...
Stop procrastinating
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
July 20 2014 11:11 GMT
#583
On July 20 2014 17:11 Amui wrote:
On a different topic, IEM shenzhen is up. WE crushing EDG atm.

Stream link please ? Doesn't seem to work on TL.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 20 2014 11:12 GMT
#584
On July 20 2014 20:11 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 17:11 Amui wrote:
On a different topic, IEM shenzhen is up. WE crushing EDG atm.

Stream link please ? Doesn't seem to work on TL.

It's over + Show Spoiler +
WE 2-1 EDG, koro and U had a pretty bad series, world elite on the whole played pretty well. Even conan
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 20 2014 11:13 GMT
#585
On July 20 2014 13:37 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:38 IamPryda wrote:
anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before

spectral wraith is still the go to mummy item.

i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing


yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.


Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does".

come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work

That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.

Lolskill is such a weird site.Wish they would post some explanations on how they grade people.

Like the first amumu is a guy in challenger from tr who is negative in everything but deaths with 600 games.2nd amumu is d1 21 points with 570 games still negative in everything but deaths.

Like sure kda doesn't really mean much but seems rather odd.

My Lulu is "22% below average" because I only play her support and thus have no farm and don't deal that much damage (I outdo the AD and jungler in some games though).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 11:32:27
July 20 2014 11:32 GMT
#586
On July 20 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 13:37 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:38 IamPryda wrote:
anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before

spectral wraith is still the go to mummy item.

i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing


yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.


Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does".

come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work

That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.

Lolskill is such a weird site.Wish they would post some explanations on how they grade people.

Like the first amumu is a guy in challenger from tr who is negative in everything but deaths with 600 games.2nd amumu is d1 21 points with 570 games still negative in everything but deaths.

Like sure kda doesn't really mean much but seems rather odd.

My Lulu is "22% below average" because I only play her support and thus have no farm and don't deal that much damage (I outdo the AD and jungler in some games though).

Are you trying to imply a computer algorithm might have misjudged your skill? Preposterous!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 20 2014 11:40 GMT
#587
On July 20 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 13:37 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:38 IamPryda wrote:
anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before

spectral wraith is still the go to mummy item.

i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing


yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.


Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does".

come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work

That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.

Lolskill is such a weird site.Wish they would post some explanations on how they grade people.

Like the first amumu is a guy in challenger from tr who is negative in everything but deaths with 600 games.2nd amumu is d1 21 points with 570 games still negative in everything but deaths.

Like sure kda doesn't really mean much but seems rather odd.

My Lulu is "22% below average" because I only play her support and thus have no farm and don't deal that much damage (I outdo the AD and jungler in some games though).

My nasus is 142% better than average. Get out of my way peasants
Glorious SEA doto
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 20 2014 11:48 GMT
#588
I played 1 Shaco game in ranked 5's against some silvers and and am 155% better than the average player. Get wrecked.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 11:53:07
July 20 2014 11:51 GMT
#589
Apparently I'm the 5th best Skarner in the world according to lolskill
Yeah, this website is full of shit, 5th is clearly way too low
HAHAHAHA it rates Skarnold Trump above me. I guess this is the part where I cut my wrists?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
July 20 2014 11:55 GMT
#590
Holy crap i feel like a god playing thresh.
Forever ZeNEX.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
July 20 2014 12:18 GMT
#591
I like LoLskill, I was #1 karthus back then
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
July 20 2014 13:20 GMT
#592
I like lolskill because it lets you know who's an idiot for certain when a one trick pony uses their ranking on the website as leverage for getting their desired pony.

"Let me jungle fiddle please, #3 ranked fiddle in the world!" - words said before witnessing one of the worst fiddle junglers I've ever seen
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2014 15:01 GMT
#593
I can imagine what this website does. It compiles a series of statistics (kda, cd, etc.) For each champion and compares your statistics against the average.

The problem is that if you are playing against weaker opponents your stats will be inflated.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 20 2014 15:42 GMT
#594
--- Nuked ---
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 20 2014 18:17 GMT
#595
On July 20 2014 18:14 Maluk wrote:
On the topic of Amumu and Golem vs Wraith, my team made something like an 18 minutes baron call yesterday, which is extremely early for low ELO as people don't even think about baron before 40 mins in gold and below.

The call was very good, with opponents having no vision over baron, our team being able to ward their whole jungle, (I was the support and I had some wards around abron + tons of wards available), two of the opponents being dead and one of them being bot, plus the last two busy cleaning up lanes.

Our only mistake was that we didnt see our jungle Amumu's items. As a Taric support I started to tank the baron a bit, and when Amumu replaced me and tried to tank it he got utterly destroyed by the baron quasi instantly, we were forced to back off and the two opponents who were cleaning lanes came at us and got something like 3 kills.

Then the whole team thought "wtf happened to Amumu's life", we opened our Tab windows and we realized that he had the Wraith item. That was pretty disappointing lol. He was 0/3 too so maybe going Wraith as an 0/3 jungler isn't the best idea ?

And now I come here and I learn that Wraith is actually decent on Amumu, I guess I'll have to take a look at my jungler's items before I make a baron call next time.


That is one of the number one reasons that the jungle items are a failure, and will continue to be. By the time your Amumu was 0-3 he was already locked in to his choice. Hell, he probably had already bought spirit stone before his first death. Honestly, it is just a more extreme version of the choice of Shyvana to go tank-first or Blade-First because a jungler, like Amumu, cannot choose to avoid skirmishes and teamfights early (going Wraith), nor can he choose to not farm the jungle at all early (choosing Quill/Golem).

I've routinely said they should eliminate jungle items, however, if they don't they should all have the same build path until late in the game. Perhaps they should all work like Kha's evolve in some way (this idea might actually be good). Basically, you would start with Machete, then be able to combine it with some other basic item (I.E. Amp, Longsword, Ruby, Cloth) for tier 2, then combine that with either any higher tier basic item or a mid-tier advanced item (PIckaxe, Chalice, Codex, Chain vest, Kindlegem) so you can then re-shuffle the stats. So you thought you were going to be an aggro Lee, bought the Longsword upgrade, but died a lot being aggro, so you then go down the Kindlgem path.

Its a complicated fix, which is why the better answer is eliminating the items altogether.
Freeeeeeedom
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 20 2014 18:25 GMT
#596
Man, I keep winning promo's to divisions I don't feel I belong. Plat 2 now but I lose lane a lot, mechanics suck comparatively but somehow I keep climbing idk. Anyone else having the same?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2014 18:32 GMT
#597
On July 21 2014 00:42 krndandaman wrote:
They should make it 'best relative X'

Been playing on kr server while in korea and I've been pretty pleased with the lack of toxicity so far. A big difference I also noticed is that the consensus is blue = mid's. I was surprised to get every blue without fail every game I went mid. Even when feeding.


The fact of the matter is, no one can determine the MMR of a match. For example, for all we know I could be smurfing in bronze playing Poppy - thus getting massive KDA since my opponents are weak. Once I get to Challenger I stop playing her completely even though I cannot actually play Poppy at that level.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2014 18:32 GMT
#598
On July 21 2014 03:25 Serelitz wrote:
Man, I keep winning promo's to divisions I don't feel I belong. Plat 2 now but I lose lane a lot, mechanics suck comparatively but somehow I keep climbing idk. Anyone else having the same?


Join the club. Somehow landed in plat 3 on main and almost landed there on smurf as well (lost promo 1-2 due to a troll).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 20 2014 18:52 GMT
#599
On July 21 2014 00:01 Sufficiency wrote:
I can imagine what this website does. It compiles a series of statistics (kda, cd, etc.) For each champion and compares your statistics against the average.

The problem is that if you are playing against weaker opponents your stats will be inflated.


Also KDA/CS etc aren't indicators of good play, even against weaker opponents.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 20 2014 19:29 GMT
#600
I got my computer all setup and ready to go once again ! Let's get back to D11111111111111111.
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