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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2014 04:39 GMT
#561
I may give it a try, i dont like sacrificing early health for damage though, especially not when you gotta go hammy sammy and dont really have hella damage
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 20 2014 04:58 GMT
#562
On July 20 2014 13:37 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 20 2014 12:44 Goumindong wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 20 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:38 IamPryda wrote:
anyone been playing mumu jungle with the new golem? having a ton of success but I feel I am running into mana problems more so then before

spectral wraith is still the go to mummy item.

i like when people get wraith on mummy, it tells me they have no idea what they're doing


yeah, all the high elo mumu jungler like azingy have no idea what the fuck they're doing when they get wraiths. fucking lol.


I kind of hate this argument, because it assumes:

1. A high elo player knows everything. They don't. I remember back in the Best Riven NA tournament, QTpie was using the jungle monster damage reduction masteries even though it was clearly stated on the rules that no jungling is allowed. Azingy is no QTpie, but this is just a more severe example.

2. A high elo player's item build is also the best for lower divisions. I am no starcraft player, but let's say that all pro zerg players do 9 pool, because if you get greedy and do 12 pool you will get severely punished and lose the game. However, for an average player, 12 pool might be better because an average opponent will not be able to punish such greedy builder order.


Just because high elo players aren't always right doesn't mean that the way that high elo players play isn't evidence of optimality. Its not perfect evidence of optimality, but if we are weighing it its more evidence than "what a random person who isn't high elo does".

come on man, epistemology should be your strong suit if you're doing stats work

That being said, a once over on pro builds seems to suggest that Quill works, even if Spectral Wraith is by far the most popular choice

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Amumu


Only three of these games are even from after quill coat was added, and one of them is Dan Dinh playing support Amumu. Probuilds is just stupid and doesn't include player's smurfs. A better way to check for lesser played champions would be to go on Lolskill and look up D1+ players with a ton of games on that champion.

Lolskill is such a weird site.Wish they would post some explanations on how they grade people.

Like the first amumu is a guy in challenger from tr who is negative in everything but deaths with 600 games.2nd amumu is d1 21 points with 570 games still negative in everything but deaths.

Like sure kda doesn't really mean much but seems rather odd.


I don't think it really means that much, it's just an easy way to find high elo players with a bunch of games on a champion.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 20 2014 05:03 GMT
#563
Sacrificing early health for damage is what is standard on almost all junglers because it makes sense. Early game you are going to spend more time farming, now more than ever since the tower buffs made it significantly harder to towerdive. Faster farm = more gold+more exp = more stats overall. Specifically Amumu is a pretty bursty champion with loads of AP ratios so Spectral Wraith is really good on him and as a lot of people mentioned Quill Coat just sucks an unbelievable amount of cock, like if I came to Teutonica's parent's farm there wouldn't be enough cock there for me to suck to match Quill Coat.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2014 05:06 GMT
#564
On July 20 2014 14:03 Scip wrote:
Sacrificing early health for damage is what is standard on almost all junglers because it makes sense. Early game you are going to spend more time farming, now more than ever since the tower buffs made it significantly harder to towerdive. Faster farm = more gold+more exp = more stats overall. Specifically Amumu is a pretty bursty champion with loads of AP ratios so Spectral Wraith is really good on him and as a lot of people mentioned Quill Coat just sucks an unbelievable amount of cock, like if I came to Teutonica's parent's farm there wouldn't be enough cock there for me to suck to match Quill Coat.


I think golem stone is good, but they need to just remove quill coat and go back to spirit stone tbh
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 05:10:29
July 20 2014 05:07 GMT
#565
We should probably discuss proposed balance changes in the PBE thread rather than here, it's detracting from the discussion.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 20 2014 05:10 GMT
#566
On July 20 2014 14:06 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 14:03 Scip wrote:
Sacrificing early health for damage is what is standard on almost all junglers because it makes sense. Early game you are going to spend more time farming, now more than ever since the tower buffs made it significantly harder to towerdive. Faster farm = more gold+more exp = more stats overall. Specifically Amumu is a pretty bursty champion with loads of AP ratios so Spectral Wraith is really good on him and as a lot of people mentioned Quill Coat just sucks an unbelievable amount of cock, like if I came to Teutonica's parent's farm there wouldn't be enough cock there for me to suck to match Quill Coat.


I think golem stone is good, but they need to just remove quill coat and go back to spirit stone tbh

Wouldnt having to change the item make it not good?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2014 05:17 GMT
#567
On July 20 2014 14:10 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 14:06 arb wrote:
On July 20 2014 14:03 Scip wrote:
Sacrificing early health for damage is what is standard on almost all junglers because it makes sense. Early game you are going to spend more time farming, now more than ever since the tower buffs made it significantly harder to towerdive. Faster farm = more gold+more exp = more stats overall. Specifically Amumu is a pretty bursty champion with loads of AP ratios so Spectral Wraith is really good on him and as a lot of people mentioned Quill Coat just sucks an unbelievable amount of cock, like if I came to Teutonica's parent's farm there wouldn't be enough cock there for me to suck to match Quill Coat.


I think golem stone is good, but they need to just remove quill coat and go back to spirit stone tbh

Wouldnt having to change the item make it not good?

Nono, i think Golem Stone is a good item tbh, but quill coat is just .. not
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 05:38:54
July 20 2014 05:35 GMT
#568
Your point is not getting across well
either Ancient Golem is a good item and Quill Coat is a good item too because it builds into Ancient Golem or Quill Coat sucks and Ancient Golem sucks too because it bulds out of Quill. You can't just arbitrarily decide you're going to evaluate items ignoring build paths in the process and also suggest a balance change in the same sentence because that raises like 18 different question marks at the same time and nobody will have any fucking idea what you're actually trying to say.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
July 20 2014 05:38 GMT
#569
Why the title? I really dont think Lucian is dead lol. Please think before you use such titles....if anyhting I think hes going to be stronger/a lot more mobile now
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 20 2014 05:48 GMT
#570
On July 20 2014 14:38 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Why the title? I really dont think Lucian is dead lol. Please think before you use such titles....if anyhting I think hes going to be stronger/a lot more mobile now

On July 16 2014 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
lucian is not even close to being dead, he will just have a very different playstyle now. He is definitely weak in the current meta but I think he will break out as strong in this new form once it shifts a little. (aka nerfs on the long range monsters trist/kog/cait)

I just want to say for the record, I don't actually think Lucian will be dead now. It was simply the fact that there is no new champion this patch and no major rework. Lucian happened to have the most significant change this patch.

Thread titles are mostly just tongue-in-cheek from me. Don't take it literally.

liftlift > tsm
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 20 2014 05:57 GMT
#571
On July 20 2014 14:03 Scip wrote:
Sacrificing early health for damage is what is standard on almost all junglers because it makes sense. Early game you are going to spend more time farming, now more than ever since the tower buffs made it significantly harder to towerdive. Faster farm = more gold+more exp = more stats overall. Specifically Amumu is a pretty bursty champion with loads of AP ratios so Spectral Wraith is really good on him and as a lot of people mentioned Quill Coat just sucks an unbelievable amount of cock, like if I came to Teutonica's parent's farm there wouldn't be enough cock there for me to suck to match Quill Coat.


Oh my god the Alistar buffs are so good.

You can tank tower for like 8 years with just a relic shield.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 20 2014 05:57 GMT
#572
On July 20 2014 14:38 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Why the title? I really dont think Lucian is dead lol. Please think before you use such titles....if anyhting I think hes going to be stronger/a lot more mobile now

How about you suck a bag of dicks before you come posting in our forum telling us what to do

User was temp banned for this post.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 13:22:05
July 20 2014 06:03 GMT
#573
On July 20 2014 14:57 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 14:38 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Why the title? I really dont think Lucian is dead lol. Please think before you use such titles....if anyhting I think hes going to be stronger/a lot more mobile now

How about you suck a bag of dicks before you come posting in our forum telling us what to do

rewd

edit: rekt
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 20 2014 06:35 GMT
#574
apparently he could start at teutonica's farm
Carrilord has arrived.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 20 2014 08:11 GMT
#575
On a different topic, IEM shenzhen is up. WE crushing EDG atm.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
July 20 2014 08:22 GMT
#576
I for one hope lucian gets butchered in the next patch, so we can get a "rip rip lucian" thread
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 08:52:15
July 20 2014 08:49 GMT
#577
On July 20 2014 17:22 killerdog wrote:
I for one hope lucian gets butchered in the next patch, so we can get a "rip rip lucian" thread

I think it should be RIP "RIP" Lucian.

EDIT: capitalization

The casters for IEM REALLY annoy me. It's not "sao mei". "Chao mei" is closer, and is a reasonable anglicization that at least shows some effort.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 20 2014 08:59 GMT
#578
On July 20 2014 17:11 Amui wrote:
On a different topic, IEM shenzhen is up. WE crushing EDG atm.

Tune in to see ninja with the 0/1/0 ziggs mejai, he learns fast from China
Glorious SEA doto
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 09:42:53
July 20 2014 09:14 GMT
#579
On the topic of Amumu and Golem vs Wraith, my team made something like an 18 minutes baron call yesterday, which is extremely early for low ELO as people don't even think about baron before 40 mins in gold and below.

The call was very good, with opponents having no vision over baron, our team being able to ward their whole jungle, (I was the support and I had some wards around abron + tons of wards available), two of the opponents being dead and one of them being bot, plus the last two busy cleaning up lanes.

Our only mistake was that we didnt see our jungle Amumu's items. As a Taric support I started to tank the baron a bit, and when Amumu replaced me and tried to tank it he got utterly destroyed by the baron quasi instantly, we were forced to back off and the two opponents who were cleaning lanes came at us and got something like 3 kills.

Then the whole team thought "wtf happened to Amumu's life", we opened our Tab windows and we realized that he had the Wraith item. That was pretty disappointing lol. He was 0/3 too so maybe going Wraith as an 0/3 jungler isn't the best idea ?

And now I come here and I learn that Wraith is actually decent on Amumu, I guess I'll have to take a look at my jungler's items before I make a baron call next time.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2014 09:45 GMT
#580
On July 20 2014 17:49 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 17:22 killerdog wrote:
I for one hope lucian gets butchered in the next patch, so we can get a "rip rip lucian" thread

I think it should be RIP "RIP" Lucian.

EDIT: capitalization

The casters for IEM REALLY annoy me. It's not "sao mei". "Chao mei" is closer, and is a reasonable anglicization that at least shows some effort.

i've been saying cow mei personally
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