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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 12 2014 19:24 Redox wrote: We need proper coaches? So what team are you on? Just saying it is easy to talk if it is not you that is affected. If you have to be on a pro team to access whats wrong with the system or what needs adjusting, then riot wouldn't be allowed to even start the pro scene in the first place would they? | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Also some people don't understand that when some players say they wanna be the best and beat koreans they are just bs-ing so it makes sense for them to just do their own thing. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On July 12 2014 14:31 GozoShioda wrote: Froggen himself said on summoning insight that he would not want a "head coach" or someone in charge of him who is below Diamond V (what the flying fuck does a person's solo Q rank have anything to do with his ability to manage a team of young adults to maximize efficiency of their daily tasks and activities???). Face it, the players run these organizations, because they are not indispensable in the same way that Korean players are. Yellowpete himself said that he gets to wake up whenever he wants and so does the rest of the team (he used to wake up at 11am while the rest of the team was up around 9am). No NA team has a curfew in place, I'd be willing to bet money on that. While every KeSPA has a team curfew. This is why we need "proper" coaches/managers. Let's bet money on that, because I know for sure at least one team has a curfew (one of the top 5 in fact). And also having someone as a coach above diamond V makes sense, you want them to at least have some significant knowledge of the game for direction. However, it doesn't sound like Froggen was talking about managers. Solo Q rank doesn't matter for managers. Coach =/= Manager. Coaches will have more input on ingame decisions and teamplay whereas managers handle activities of daily living and schedules. i.e. CLG - Monte as head coach, Kelby as manager | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
it's only physically possible to practice football for so long, so as long as you show up for those what, 4 hours?, you're golden. video games don't have that demand on the body so you can also practice them a lot longer. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 12 2014 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think that's a good point of reference it's only physically possible to practice football for so long, so as long as you show up for those what, 4 hours?, you're golden. video games don't have that demand on the body so you can also practice them a lot longer. That's not really true. You still have mental strain and physical strain(Even if it's not as much). Practicing for 8 hours solids isn't really worth it. Potentially has negative impact too. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 12 2014 21:50 beefhamburger wrote: Let's bet money on that, because I know for sure at least one team has a curfew (one of the top 5 in fact). And also having someone as a coach above diamond V makes sense, you want them to at least have some significant knowledge of the game for direction. However, it doesn't sound like Froggen was talking about managers. Solo Q rank doesn't matter for managers. Coach =/= Manager. Coaches will have more input on ingame decisions and teamplay whereas managers handle activities of daily living and schedules. i.e. CLG - Monte as head coach, Kelby as manager thats not even opening the can of worms that pub play is not competitive play so how good you are as a pub player doesn't really influence how good of a competitive mind you are. On July 12 2014 21:58 Prog wrote: I don't think any professional football (soccer) team has a curfew in regular season (if at all), so I don't see why that should be relevant at all. If someone is late for or tired at training/games and therefore cannot bring his a-game he will be talked to and probably penalized, but the idea that a curfew would be something necessary is laughable. american football is a probably a better example than soccer. soccer players can be easily sold between teams and even leagues. but american football you are either in the NFL or you are playing a different game (CFL/arena league have different rules). in addition its much harder to get rid of a player during the season in the nfl compared to euro football (soccer). american football players don't have a curfew in the off season, but they are expected to show up for training camp at 6 am for "voluntary" team warmups. not showing up affects whether or not you make the team or get cut as well as your starting position. its hard to be out partying during training camps when you are working out for 8 hours, and then have to get up for practice again at 5 am to be at practice by 6. during the season they are given curfews 2 nights before the game or more depending on the coach, bye weeks are a bit more lax but still the 2 nights rule. there are "voluntary" rules and there are mandatory rules, most curfews are "voluntary" but they aren't really voluntary. due to the small roster size of LCS teams, coaches can't enforce the same strictness that they have in american football teams with a 90 man roster but only 24 starters. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On July 12 2014 22:32 Numy wrote: That's not really true. You still have mental strain and physical strain(Even if it's not as much). Practicing for 8 hours solids isn't really worth it. Potentially has negative impact too. As evidenced by the fact that Koreans following these over the years in multiple games has never given them any edge skillwise. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 12 2014 23:07 Badboyrune wrote: As evidenced by the fact that Koreans following these over the years in multiple games has never given them any edge skillwise. Except they don't seem to do this at all. Most of what I've seen and read about the big korean kespa teams is that they advocate a healthy living for their players along side practicing the game. They also dedicate a lot of the time for reviewing and discussing the game. Only really the BW B teamers seemed to have the mindless grind. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 12 2014 23:14 Numy wrote: Except they don't seem to do this at all. Most of what I've seen and read about the big korean kespa teams is that they advocate a healthy living for their players along side practicing the game. They also dedicate a lot of the time for reviewing and discussing the game. Only really the BW B teamers seemed to have the mindless grind. they also took all the rest of stresses of life out of the lives of the players. someone cooked cleaned and helped them with everything outside of the game. its easy to excel when everything but your focus is taken care of. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 12 2014 03:35 ticklishmusic wrote: IDK, I feel that a lot of the older pros like Scarra don't bring much more value to a new team than some high challenger. Far as skill goes there probably isn't a significant difference and since it's a 4+1 scenario integration presents approximately the same challenge. Plus you won't have stuff like "well back when I was on Dig, this is how we did X". i feel like tournament/big event experience is more useful than a random challenger cause a lot of challenger players aren't used to tournament settings | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Wouldn't it be cool if Riot put an item in that reset summoner CDs? You could make it relatively expensive and uncost effective (maybe have it cost 3k gold with 2k gold worth of survivability / cdr / runspeed kind of stats) and I think it would do great things for the game. Mainly, would kill the huge mobility creep problem. If I could flash every teamfight suddenly you can play a ton more champions... immobile adcs, immobile tanks, mages etc | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
On July 13 2014 08:12 iCanada wrote: You guys know the big clamoring from DotA fans about item active effects? Wouldn't it be cool if Riot put an item in that reset summoner CDs? You could make it relatively expensive and uncost effective (maybe have it cost 3k gold with 2k gold worth of survivability / cdr / runspeed kind of stats) and I think it would do great things for the game. Mainly, would kill the huge mobility creep problem. If I could flash every teamfight suddenly you can play a ton more champions... immobile adcs, immobile tanks, mages etc And what would that solve? When is your adc going to spend 3k gold on something like that? Bruisers are much more likely to be able to spend that money while doing their job so it actually increases the vulnerability of low mobility champions even more.And that's before we start talking about how it will unbalance perfectly fine bits of the game. No. its a terrible idea. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I think powerful item actives are cool though. It's hard to come back in LoL because the other team has 20% more damage and tankiness than yours so even if they make a mistake or you get a good initiate, they win the fight. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
pre-LCS it was more like i could tune in for a weekend and watch IGN/dreamhack or whatever then it ended and we moved to the next event. with LCS i find it difficult to keep track of how well teams are playing over the course of the whole season. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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