On July 12 2014 05:06 travis wrote: yeah ok i get it, it is a channel, it just sucks and isn't balanced
if you could end it early or something like nunu ult that would be better
you CAN end it early. in fact i do that often with him. after you get hit the 8th time there is no point except disable length and damage reduction to keep the taunt up, so you can end it with a smite and do a big burst of damage.
Started placements on my smurf (playing champs I don't know mostly, so I can somewhat dick around). People have some pretty funny assumptions. :') Played Annie at first, damn. Tibbers' cast range will feel weird to adapt to, especially offensively. We were against 2 obvious smurfs and our 2nd pick who went Thresh almost didn't ward so it was hard to run around and catch them, but it felt really hard to use it offensively while Flash was down. I needed to flank and wait for one of the smurfs to commit to blow him up, and I missed a bunch of opportunities because I was slightly out of range and them moved while I walked up (managed to avoid airballing the ult most of the time thanksfully).
Will certainly give me a change. Playing against smurfs who ward while your own lanes don't do it at all makes roaming pointless though, sadly.
I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
lolwut, most koreans scrim other teams or their little throng of b-teamers. i think overall it's just a culture difference. why is this even being talked about in this thread though?
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
lolwut, most koreans scrim other teams or their little throng of b-teamers. i think overall it's just a culture difference. why is this even being talked about in this thread though?
On July 12 2014 05:19 travis wrote: i could swear i tried to end it early and it did nothing (like stopped it but it did no damage)
well reading it it says it just reduces its range.. maybe they were outside of that range
mah bad
it still sucks though
The range reduction is stupid arbitrary, doesn't exist on other skills and used to not exist for him.
Like I said, it's possible it was accidentally introduced when they buffed the damage AoE from 575 to 600 and forgot to change it for prematurely canceled ults.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
The point is that Scarra and Loco aren't proper coaches. Not yet anyway.
You brought up coaches, I commented on it. Nobody said anything about managers. Most teams have had managers for a while now. However, like coaches, a lot of these people aren't proper managers.
My smurf just came across a guy's first ranked game ever, he was obviously quite new so I gave him some build advice (he didn't really last hit either, then again Katarina vs Talon, he'll get eaten alive if he's clueless and the other guy not) and he added me afterwards. Curious, I glanced at his match history... apart from one jungle Pantheon game with mobis, he seemed to never ever buy boots. And to have fare really well in some of his games in spite of this. Was amusing, made me curious what the games looked like compared to ours though.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
The point is that Scarra and Loco aren't proper coaches. Not yet anyway.
You brought up coaches, I commented on it. Nobody said anything about managers. Most teams have had managers for a while now. However, like coaches, a lot of these people aren't proper managers.
wtf is a "proper" coach or "proper" manager
Loco and Scarra have just as much if not more playing experience as say Kkoma. Maybe they're not as experienced as coaches, but that hardly disqualifies them.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
The point is that Scarra and Loco aren't proper coaches. Not yet anyway.
You brought up coaches, I commented on it. Nobody said anything about managers. Most teams have had managers for a while now. However, like coaches, a lot of these people aren't proper managers.
wtf is a "proper" coach or "proper" manager
Loco and Scarra have just as much if not more playing experience as say Kkoma. Maybe they're not as experienced as coaches, but that hardly disqualifies them.
Froggen himself said on summoning insight that he would not want a "head coach" or someone in charge of him who is below Diamond V (what the flying fuck does a person's solo Q rank have anything to do with his ability to manage a team of young adults to maximize efficiency of their daily tasks and activities???). Face it, the players run these organizations, because they are not indispensable in the same way that Korean players are. Yellowpete himself said that he gets to wake up whenever he wants and so does the rest of the team (he used to wake up at 11am while the rest of the team was up around 9am). No NA team has a curfew in place, I'd be willing to bet money on that. While every KeSPA has a team curfew.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
The point is that Scarra and Loco aren't proper coaches. Not yet anyway.
You brought up coaches, I commented on it. Nobody said anything about managers. Most teams have had managers for a while now. However, like coaches, a lot of these people aren't proper managers.
wtf is a "proper" coach or "proper" manager
Loco and Scarra have just as much if not more playing experience as say Kkoma. Maybe they're not as experienced as coaches, but that hardly disqualifies them.
Froggen himself said on summoning insight that he would not want a "head coach" or someone in charge of him who is below Diamond V (what the flying fuck does a person's solo Q rank have anything to do with his ability to manage a team of young adults to maximize efficiency of their daily tasks and activities???). Face it, the players run these organizations, because they are not indispensable in the same way that Korean players are. Yellowpete himself said that he gets to wake up whenever he wants and so does the rest of the team (he used to wake up at 11am while the rest of the team was up around 9am). No NA team has a curfew in place, I'd be willing to bet money on that. While every KeSPA has a team curfew.
On July 12 2014 06:28 GozoShioda wrote: I don't think it's possible for NA/EU teams to ever actually reach the level of Korean teams until the money goes in the right direction, like for example proper coaches (not guys who used to be pro players and get a haircut on a tournament stream as part of a marketing ploy, but actual coaches aka people who have proper managing skills). As long as streaming and the marketing aspect is far more profitable in the western scene, it doesn't matter what kind of players you get (veterans/fresh/koreans), they will still develop bad habits because all these Western organizations are enablers. NA players probably spend as much time streaming, posting on reddit/twitter that koreans spend scrimming.
There are no proper coaches in the west. Old players retiring and turning into coaches is how the whole situation in Korea has got how it is today. If the west is going to "catch up," it needs to go through the same growing pains. However, the west has the benefit of emulating something that is pre-existant as opposed to fumbling around in the dark.
If you think NA players really spend that much time doing non-league related activities and Koreans play that little soloq, you're delusional.
We're seeing a several of the old guard becoming coaches in the West. Off the top of my head I can think of Loco and Scarra. Dig is now #1 team in NA - sure, picking up Zion and Shiptur definitely helped, but I don't think having Scarra as coach is completely inconsequential. TSM have also been somewhat improving post-Loco. It's hard to attribute what's helping more - Loco or TSM simply gelling as a team since almost half their roster is new.
Coaches =/= managers. In Korea, many teams have both. Coaches who were former pro players that basically "teach" the players how to play plus managers who keep the team in check.
The point is that Scarra and Loco aren't proper coaches. Not yet anyway.
You brought up coaches, I commented on it. Nobody said anything about managers. Most teams have had managers for a while now. However, like coaches, a lot of these people aren't proper managers.
wtf is a "proper" coach or "proper" manager
Loco and Scarra have just as much if not more playing experience as say Kkoma. Maybe they're not as experienced as coaches, but that hardly disqualifies them.
Froggen himself said on summoning insight that he would not want a "head coach" or someone in charge of him who is below Diamond V (what the flying fuck does a person's solo Q rank have anything to do with his ability to manage a team of young adults to maximize efficiency of their daily tasks and activities???). Face it, the players run these organizations, because they are not indispensable in the same way that Korean players are. Yellowpete himself said that he gets to wake up whenever he wants and so does the rest of the team (he used to wake up at 11am while the rest of the team was up around 9am). No NA team has a curfew in place, I'd be willing to bet money on that. While every KeSPA has a team curfew.
This is why we need "proper" coaches/managers.
We need proper coaches? So what team are you on?
Just saying it is easy to talk if it is not you that is affected.
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