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On April 03 2014 11:30 Amui wrote:
Out of curiosity what is urgots winrate on urf considering that he doesn't need to build mana/cdr items, and can instead leverage his ludicrous early game to snowball. Must be better than his soloq winrate in any case.
The (code) (/code) blocks on TL is too hard for formatting 
http://sufficientblogging.blogspot.ca/2014/04/urf-mode-win-rates.html
Urgot: 48.893% win rate, 9.095% popularity.
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whats the opinion on elise right now? i seem to have hard time winning with her -.-
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On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle).
Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility.
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On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility.
I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q.
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On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q.
Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds.
Edit: Base is 4 seconds.
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in case it hasn't been said yet, i think the stacks for Feral Flare include those you got when you only had machete and onwards
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On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q. Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds. Edit: Base is 4 seconds.
So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0 
Skarner, on the other hand....
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On April 03 2014 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q. Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds. Edit: Base is 4 seconds. So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0 Skarner, on the other hand....
Don't forget the second part of his Q
"If Hecarim damages at least one enemy unit with this attack, he gains a stack of Rampage for 8 seconds, reducing the base cooldown of this ability by 1 second. This effect can stack up to 2 times."
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On April 03 2014 09:01 Ketara wrote:
Looking at the combat stats of Elder Lizard vs. Feral Flare.
Elder Lizard at level 18 deals 50 true damage per second to targets hit. It also gives 30 AD.
50 true damage over three seconds, not per second
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On April 03 2014 11:50 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q. Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds. Edit: Base is 4 seconds. So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0 Skarner, on the other hand.... Don't forget the second part of his Q "If Hecarim damages at least one enemy unit with this attack, he gains a stack of Rampage for 8 seconds, reducing the base cooldown of this ability by 1 second. This effect can stack up to 2 times."
Yes, but even with two stacks I assume it is only 0.4 seconds (2 seconds base CD, so 2 * 0.2 = 0.4).
Skarner will essentially couple his Q with autos, since with each auto his Q WILL reset to 0. Furthermore, his Q gives him attack speed...
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On April 03 2014 11:52 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 09:01 Ketara wrote:
Looking at the combat stats of Elder Lizard vs. Feral Flare.
Elder Lizard at level 18 deals 50 true damage per second to targets hit. It also gives 30 AD. 50 true damage over three seconds, not per second
Oh okay, so it's even worse then
It seems really blatantly obvious that if you're an autoattack focused champ, Feral Flare is going to outdamage Elder Lizard.
And clear faster.
And give more gold.
The big issue is whether or not you can deal without the sustain.
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On April 03 2014 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q. Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds. Edit: Base is 4 seconds. So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0 Skarner, on the other hand.... Don't forget the second part of his Q "If Hecarim damages at least one enemy unit with this attack, he gains a stack of Rampage for 8 seconds, reducing the base cooldown of this ability by 1 second. This effect can stack up to 2 times." Yes, but even with two stacks I assume it is only 0.4 seconds (2 seconds base CD, so 2 * 0.2 = 0.4). Skarner will essentially couple his Q with autos, since with each auto his Q WILL reset to 0. Furthermore, his Q gives him attack speed...
Okay whatever, not zero, but you're still mashing Q to the point where it might as well be zero. You and your numbers :p
Edit: But Skarner is pretty silly, had one outdamged everyone but the enemy Hec (and outdamaged my Hec) in the last game I played.
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On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle).
If anything, those win percentages are really not that strong (aside from sona, who is basically at Innervating locket levels) when compared with Riot's demonization of Spammable, low CD heals (and the GD/Reddit demonization of Nidalee spears).
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not sure about lee sin changes. I was hoping for minor changes (tweaking ability ratios) in order to nerf his godlike early game and buff his abyssmal late game.
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So, to go on a tangent here, if Scarra is retiring does that mean that he'll stop streaming? Because I do enjoy his streams.
Sorry if this is a painfully obvious question. I know that he's going into a coaching position for team Dignitas but I'm not sure what exactly this entails. Any explanation would be appreciated!
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On April 03 2014 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:Here's a sneak peak:
URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)
Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%
Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle). Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility. I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q. Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds. Edit: Base is 4 seconds. So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0 Skarner, on the other hand.... Don't forget the second part of his Q "If Hecarim damages at least one enemy unit with this attack, he gains a stack of Rampage for 8 seconds, reducing the base cooldown of this ability by 1 second. This effect can stack up to 2 times." Yes, but even with two stacks I assume it is only 0.4 seconds (2 seconds base CD, so 2 * 0.2 = 0.4). Skarner will essentially couple his Q with autos, since with each auto his Q WILL reset to 0. Furthermore, his Q gives him attack speed...
But the horse, man. Skarner aint gonna be able to gank against that horse. Skarner still have to auto attack to trigger his Q, the horse only need to run and spam QQQQQQ.
And his E does knockup like every 4 sec or so.
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Horse only needs tp/ghost, clear jungle to get fast lvl 3, then back, buy and tp to lane for an easy double that gets you really rolling :p
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Yes, Scarra will stop streaming entirely because he hates getting lots of money for playing video games.
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am i the only one annoyed by the wardens mail change? now when u start cloth armor u have no longer option to build it into wardens and ur pretty much pigeonholed into building tabi, chain vest already builds into shit ton of items that change was unnecessary imo
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On April 03 2014 12:52 kongoline wrote:
am i the only one annoyed by the wardens mail change? now when u start cloth armor u have no longer option to build it into wardens and ur pretty much pigeonholed into building tabi, chain vest already builds into shit ton of items that change was so unnecessary imo
Hadn't thought about that, kinda lame. Although you could just sell it later and only lose 90 gold.
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