• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:44
CEST 17:44
KST 00:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League35Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1345.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 Server Blocker
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9850 users

[Patch 4.5] Rune Rework General Discussion - Page 6

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 118 Next
New Article: Interview with Chobra (OGN)
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
April 03 2014 03:55 GMT
#101
How long is the active on feral flare? Like can you ward blue from the river? Dragon from red buff?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 03 2014 03:58 GMT
#102
On April 03 2014 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 12:52 kongoline wrote:
am i the only one annoyed by the wardens mail change? now when u start cloth armor u have no longer option to build it into wardens and ur pretty much pigeonholed into building tabi, chain vest already builds into shit ton of items that change was so unnecessary imo

Hadn't thought about that, kinda lame. Although you could just sell it later and only lose 90 gold.


I kind of don't like wardens mail building from chain vest either.

But on the other hand, Frozen Heart looks pretty awesome now.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 04:26:20
April 03 2014 04:03 GMT
#103
MF's change is kind of underwhelming (if not just straight up bad), right? Her 1v1 got nerfed, and her late game ult scaling doesn't seem that much better.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 03 2014 04:09 GMT
#104
On April 03 2014 12:32 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:50 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:47 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:43 Amui wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:31 Kinie wrote:
On April 03 2014 10:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Here's a sneak peak:


URF Mode Top 10 Champions (over 200k games)

Champion Win Rate
Sona 77.973%
Soraka 66.283%
Hecarim 62.403%
Kayle 61.177%
Nami 59.342%
Nidalee 58.921%
Alistar 58.744%
Galio 58.528%
Monkey 55.568%
Janna 55.261%


Who'd have thought that having heals be on a 3-5s CD would be OP? 6 of the 10 champs on there have a non-ult heal, with Janna's R being an aoe HoT if allies stay in the circle. The other 3 (Horsey, Monkey, Gargoyle) benefit from increased MS allowing for easier engages (monkey), MS being converted to AD (Horsey), or most champs going AP so an AP shield/passive is good (Gargoyle).

Reasons for monkey and horse are wrong. Monkey gets a combo where he can basically permastealth in between hits if he so desires, and horse gets 0cd q and ridiculously good mobility.


I thought Hecarim's Q was -1/2 seconds BASE CD? It is definitely not 0 CD Q.

Having just played him, it's pretty much 0 seconds.

Edit: Base is 4 seconds.


So it's actually 0.8 seconds cooldown Q. Pretty far from 0

Skarner, on the other hand....

Don't forget the second part of his Q

"If Hecarim damages at least one enemy unit with this attack, he gains a stack of Rampage for 8 seconds, reducing the base cooldown of this ability by 1 second. This effect can stack up to 2 times."


Yes, but even with two stacks I assume it is only 0.4 seconds (2 seconds base CD, so 2 * 0.2 = 0.4).
Skarner will essentially couple his Q with autos, since with each auto his Q WILL reset to 0. Furthermore, his Q gives him attack speed...

But the horse, man. Skarner aint gonna be able to gank against that horse. Skarner still have to auto attack to trigger his Q, the horse only need to run and spam QQQQQQ.
And his E does knockup like every 4 sec or so.


in my experience the long duration of skarner's suppression makes a much bigger difference lategame when damage and mobility and healing is so high. like hecarim is never gonna kill a soraka or a sona but you can burst them during skarner's ult.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 03 2014 04:15 GMT
#105
On April 03 2014 12:52 kongoline wrote:
am i the only one annoyed by the wardens mail change? now when u start cloth armor u have no longer option to build it into wardens and ur pretty much pigeonholed into building tabi, chain vest already builds into shit ton of items that change was unnecessary imo

I guess their intention is for you to build cloth into glacial now
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 03 2014 04:19 GMT
#106
i dont want FH but randuin on 90% of my bruisers anyway, glacial is useless for me
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 03 2014 04:20 GMT
#107
Caitlyn in URF is so fun. The amount of cc she has can outplay anybody pretty easy.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 03 2014 04:21 GMT
#108
On April 03 2014 09:23 phyvo wrote:
Oh yeah, any of you guys thinking of changing up your runes? Given all the new free armor I'm not sure what to run except maybe armor per level.

Haven't looked into it too much cause I don't adjust anything till it hits live. Probably going to switch to cdr/lvl glyphs on a few pages. Maybe some flat cdr quints on casters for even out that 5% from masteries.

On April 03 2014 09:33 Diamond wrote:
Anyways Aether Wisp seems pretty awesome, I'm sort of excited for a low cost AP/MS item.

I think it's cool for Sppoky Ghosts, but I hate that is builds into Lichbane. AP itemization is good enough as it is, it doesn't need build order smoothing.

On April 03 2014 10:24 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm inclined to think it's something to do with Riot's matchmaking algorithm. Riot said a long time ago that blue side is supposed to have higher combined MMR in order to counterbalance the supposed map advantage of purple side. I think what is happening is that the map imbalance doesn't really play a huge role in games, while the mmr differential is skewing games.

Other way around. Purple has higher mmr to make up for blue advantage. However, the difference is so small(~20-30) that it doesn't matter. Hence the 54+% winrate for blue.

On April 03 2014 11:52 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 09:01 Ketara wrote:
Looking at the combat stats of Elder Lizard vs. Feral Flare.

Elder Lizard at level 18 deals 50 true damage per second to targets hit. It also gives 30 AD.


50 true damage over three seconds, not per second

In addition, FF gives AS and it's magic damage scales.

Something that I found amusing today was that the true damage from Lizard affect Tiamat/Hydra AOE.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 03 2014 04:28 GMT
#109
On April 03 2014 12:55 DiracMonopole wrote:
How long is the active on feral flare? Like can you ward blue from the river? Dragon from red buff?

1000 range i think
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 03 2014 04:32 GMT
#110
glacial shroud seems like a joke, nobody buys frozen heart as it is and now they want you to pay 950g for 20 armor?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 03 2014 04:36 GMT
#111
On April 03 2014 13:32 chalice wrote:
glacial shroud seems like a joke, nobody buys frozen heart as it is and now they want you to pay 950g for 20 armor?


Don't forget 15% attack speed aura instead of 20%.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 04:38:26
April 03 2014 04:37 GMT
#112
On April 03 2014 13:36 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 13:32 chalice wrote:
glacial shroud seems like a joke, nobody buys frozen heart as it is and now they want you to pay 950g for 20 armor?


Don't forget 15% attack speed aura instead of 20%.

that's fine because the only time you're getting frozen heart is after you already have a randuin's, shifting some of the gold budgeted for the AS slow into straight armor does help some.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 03 2014 04:37 GMT
#113
On April 03 2014 13:19 kongoline wrote:
i dont want FH but randuin on 90% of my bruisers anyway, glacial is useless for me


That is kinda the point, I think. They seem to think build path and overall cost is why Randuins is the Armor item De Jure. That may or may not be correct, but that opinion is implicit in the changes.

I think its just another misidentification of toplane and jungle problems by Riot, however.
Freeeeeeedom
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 04:49:26
April 03 2014 04:40 GMT
#114
--- Nuked ---
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 03 2014 04:54 GMT
#115
On April 03 2014 13:40 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 13:20 canikizu wrote:
Caitlyn in URF is so fun. The amount of cc she has can outplay anybody pretty easy.


would ap caitlyn actually be viable in this mode then?

dat trap and net scaling

edit: im gonna try it right now.

still have to rely on retards to step on the traps, not to mention the long arm time. plus net hits one person
so no
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 03 2014 05:07 GMT
#116
--- Nuked ---
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 03 2014 05:15 GMT
#117
On April 03 2014 10:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Damn. Who was it that said on GD that Galio was broken in URF? Anyone remember?

I just realized that the attack speed buff is a buff to Galios ult since he gets attacked more in it. This is beyond his perma shield and ranged damage.

Aside: how is Morgans not on your list?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 05:16:26
April 03 2014 05:15 GMT
#118
These TF changes gonna be enough to make him l337sauce again?

On April 03 2014 14:15 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 10:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Damn. Who was it that said on GD that Galio was broken in URF? Anyone remember?

I just realized that the attack speed buff is a buff to Galios ult since he gets attacked more in it. This is beyond his perma shield and ranged damage.

Aside: how is Morgans not on your list?

his ult only goes up to a certain % damage increase so its not a huge buff, you can easily get that in a regular game too.

he's more likely to get killed with more attacks in urf.

however his poke game is redonk id imagine
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
April 03 2014 05:19 GMT
#119
Woo time to bust out TF again, no more failed ganks!

Galio is pretty retarded in URF if you can hit Q's, I was able to 1v1 a nid a few times.
@miicah88
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
April 03 2014 05:23 GMT
#120
Galio just builds thornmail in URF and you die before he even pops his ult.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 118 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Codebar 87
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42866
Calm 2743
Shuttle 1693
Jaedong 1667
EffOrt 876
Horang2 584
Mini 499
Stork 417
Soulkey 362
Rush 328
[ Show more ]
firebathero 242
actioN 217
BeSt 196
ZerO 190
Killer 130
sorry 117
Barracks 107
Zeus 97
Soma 87
Mong 78
hero 71
Sea.KH 55
Sexy 48
Creator 44
Shinee 31
ProTech28
Hm[arnc] 27
ToSsGirL 27
soO 22
Terrorterran 22
Yoon 21
Shine 20
Trap 20
Sacsri 18
Aegong 17
HiyA 16
yabsab 11
scan(afreeca) 10
Dota 2
Dendi1275
syndereN407
Fuzer 129
Other Games
singsing2544
hiko1280
B2W.Neo1272
Beastyqt535
Liquid`VortiX199
Hui .187
ToD126
KnowMe113
QueenE61
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV338
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 31
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV639
League of Legends
• Nemesis3999
• Jankos2629
Other Games
• Shiphtur326
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
16m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
19h 16m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.