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[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 14

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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 27 2014 21:56 GMT
#261
This shitposting is real.

On topic, Vel'koz seems like release Xerath to me at first opinion. Kind of meh burst, poor mobility, but an ultra sick combo.
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lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
February 27 2014 21:57 GMT
#262
On February 28 2014 06:14 RouaF wrote:
I just don't see how a champ can be nerfed if he's not good enough to see at least some picks in pro play. It's not like teemo is some kind of heavy snowballer with resets 1v5'ing noobs yi style.

I might be the only one to think that way but you will have to provide strong arguments to make me change my mind.


Agreed. My beloved Shaco is a victim of this.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 27 2014 21:58 GMT
#263
On February 28 2014 06:57 lefty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:14 RouaF wrote:
I just don't see how a champ can be nerfed if he's not good enough to see at least some picks in pro play. It's not like teemo is some kind of heavy snowballer with resets 1v5'ing noobs yi style.

I might be the only one to think that way but you will have to provide strong arguments to make me change my mind.


Agreed. My beloved Shaco is a victim of this.

Reliable box initiated backstabs all day.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 27 2014 21:59 GMT
#264
On February 28 2014 06:57 lefty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:14 RouaF wrote:
I just don't see how a champ can be nerfed if he's not good enough to see at least some picks in pro play. It's not like teemo is some kind of heavy snowballer with resets 1v5'ing noobs yi style.

I might be the only one to think that way but you will have to provide strong arguments to make me change my mind.


Agreed. My beloved Shaco is a victim of this.


Here's the argument against this.

People who are not professional players also play League of Legends.

If the game wasn't balanced for their level of play, they'd probably stop playing as much.

If they stopped playing as much, they'd probably also stop watching games as much. Professional play would get less popular, the game would get less popular, and Riot would make less money.

It's really pretty common sense.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 27 2014 22:05 GMT
#265
I think most people understand "why" things are the way they are, they just don't like it.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#266
On February 28 2014 07:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
I think most people understand "why" things are the way they are, they just don't like it.


o/
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 22:09:14
February 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#267
On February 28 2014 07:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
I think most people understand "why" things are the way they are, they just don't like it.

I can't imagine people getting mad over supplemental teemo buffs in other areas of his kit. (outside his ulti)
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 27 2014 22:11 GMT
#268
That's just not how Riot balances their game, which is a whole other can of worms.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2014 22:16 GMT
#269
um about teemo change being for helping balance for lower level players

you guys understand teemo has significantly higher winrate than kassadin in diamond right?
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 27 2014 22:17 GMT
#270
On February 28 2014 07:16 Shikyo wrote:
um about teemo change being for helping balance for lower level players

you guys understand teemo has significantly higher winrate than kassadin in diamond right?

teemo also has a 6% pickrate compared to kassidans 99% banrate.
liftlift > tsm
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 27 2014 22:19 GMT
#271
On February 28 2014 07:16 Shikyo wrote:
um about teemo change being for helping balance for lower level players

you guys understand teemo has significantly higher winrate than kassadin in diamond right?

But but but.... It's easier to suppress the memories of various randomly lost/won games because a carry stepped on a shroom in lategame!
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2014 22:19 GMT
#272
On February 28 2014 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:16 Shikyo wrote:
um about teemo change being for helping balance for lower level players

you guys understand teemo has significantly higher winrate than kassadin in diamond right?

teemo also has a 6% pickrate compared to kassidans 99% banrate.

I know o_O He still is hovering around 55% winrate in Diamond league. What does popularity have to do with balance?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 27 2014 22:23 GMT
#273
On February 28 2014 07:19 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 28 2014 07:16 Shikyo wrote:
um about teemo change being for helping balance for lower level players

you guys understand teemo has significantly higher winrate than kassadin in diamond right?

teemo also has a 6% pickrate compared to kassidans 99% banrate.

I know o_O He still is hovering around 55% winrate in Diamond league. What does popularity have to do with balance?

Has to do with small group of people who play him to high levels of effective-ness vs general strength.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 27 2014 22:31 GMT
#274
So teemo nerfs should be a good thing because toxic players who don't know shit about the game will stop playing him while serious progamers + Show Spoiler +
roffles
can play teemo to challenger.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 22:37:34
February 27 2014 22:32 GMT
#275
A couple of points from EU lcs,
Noct counterpicked vs panth twice
Elise blindpicked top
Leblanc counterpicked vs trundle
Swain counterpicked vs Lulu


I personally like Kass, Lulu, Yasou, Kayle, Zed, Ori, Gragas, Kha, Sivir as top tier picks because they reward personal skill with and against them more than boring shit Shyvana, Ziggs, Karthus, Cait which a great safe laners that scale well.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 27 2014 22:35 GMT
#276
On February 28 2014 06:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't think this debate is going to go anywhere. People just have different opinions about what level of play the game should be balanced for. This seems like one of those times where this is most apparent.


The real problem is create champions that are essentially Retribution Paladins circa the 2.0 WoW patch that are nearly impossible to have balanced at all levels of play.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 27 2014 22:37 GMT
#277
On February 28 2014 07:35 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't think this debate is going to go anywhere. People just have different opinions about what level of play the game should be balanced for. This seems like one of those times where this is most apparent.


The real problem is create champions that are essentially Retribution Paladins circa the 2.0 WoW patch that are nearly impossible to have balanced at all levels of play.

You mean 3.0?

Hue 120% Holy damage in an in AoE and immunity to CC on like a 6 second CD, no mana costs ever.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 27 2014 22:37 GMT
#278
Ghostcrawler does work there now...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 27 2014 22:38 GMT
#279
On February 28 2014 07:37 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 07:35 cLutZ wrote:
On February 28 2014 06:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't think this debate is going to go anywhere. People just have different opinions about what level of play the game should be balanced for. This seems like one of those times where this is most apparent.


The real problem is create champions that are essentially Retribution Paladins circa the 2.0 WoW patch that are nearly impossible to have balanced at all levels of play.

You mean 3.0?

Hue 120% Holy damage in an in AoE and immunity to CC on like a 6 second CD, no mana costs ever.

So, top lane?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 27 2014 22:43 GMT
#280
I meam they just recently changed kayle, took huge chunk awat from her q, at least they had the decency to buff her heal. With teemo they didn't even bother giving him a reach around.
liftlift > tsm
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