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[EU LCS] Spring 2014 Super Week 8 Review

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NeoIllusions
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United States37500 Posts
March 13 2014 19:28 GMT
#1

NA LCS 2014 Week 1

Table of Contents



Standings & Bracket

The Placebo Syndrome

Week 9 Preview

Check out the LCS schedule and matchups at lolesports.com

Got to Get Over the Hump



As an alternative to simple weekly recaps, we have opted instead to write a longer piece about the state of Europe right now. Future articles will be similar in style and cover topics such as strategic trends, LCS formatting and team focuses.

After eight weeks of play, one thing is clear about the European LCS: It’s in a bit of a hole right now. As in the Summer Split of Season 3, any team seems to be capable of taking games off one another. This on its own is not a bad thing, but it’s the way these games are being won and lost that is worrying. Let us be the ones to mention the elephant in the room: there isn’t a great team in the league - none of the teams look threatening to one another, let alone internationally. It’s a hard thing to balance. If there were a few teams crushing everybody, it becomes harder for the weaker teams to improve, or get a chance to. But without those unstoppable juggernauts, eventually those weaker teams won’t need to improve anymore and the league stagnates – we stay stuck at the same skill level. This is the time where teams need to push themselves that extra yard. Obvious slumps and weaknesses aside, the average skill level is rising, but the peak skill level is still lower than in the past. Yes Worlds are a long way off, but complacency now can come back to bite teams later on. With South Korea looming over us it’s very hard to be happy with what we’re seeing.

Every Moment Counts

Gainin' on ya!


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The Placebo Syndrome

When Your Ups, Get You Down



When living in our own regional bubble, separated from the world, it’s hard to tell where we are internationally with any real accuracy. We can guess that we’re behind Korea and China but ahead of North America and the various other countries (although honestly, I’m not certain our best teams would beat NA’s at this moment), but ultimately we’re left hoping that Europe will step it up when international competition arrives. We’ve seen that in the past with both Gambit and Fnatic, but some of us remember when our teams were consistently good. Whether it’s the format of the LCS (which we’ll get to in another article) or a blasé attitude from the teams causing this, we’re not entirely sure. But let’s look back to Season 3’s Spring Split:

That particular split was ruled by three teams: Fnatic and Gambit were the kings, both scoring 21+ wins (with a 75% win rate) and they were consistently beating the teams weaker than them (barring Gambit’s struggles with EG and Giants). The third team was Copenhagen Wolves who, by the end of the season, were taking games left and right. These three teams all played brilliant League in the standard group phases – the interesting part is that Gambit and Fnatic played it the whole season long, even when they were completely safe. We believed that Gambit and Fnatic had a good chance internationally – we didn’t know for sure but they were impressive and the split was great to watch because of it. We don’t know what changed in the Summer split but since then it’s been a different story. If it weren’t for Fnatic’s, let’s be honest here, relative success at worlds we’re not sure anyone would hold any faith the EU LCS at all.

So let’s focus on now: I want you to really think about who is the best team in the EU LCS. Now the question is, are they actually good? Their jungler and their AD might be good. There’s a chance their support is good. Are their top and mid good? Are they playing really well, dominating? Are your team closing out games quickly? Are they still making mistakes?

Of course, there is more to league than individual skill, but the lack of stomps has scared us. The lack of runaway advantages being smartly driven home in 25-30 minutes is a big warning sign. People love to talk about how close the EU LCS is and how anyone can beat anyone, but it’s not because all the teams are really good, it’s because all the teams are as good as each other. Our current top three (Gambit, SK Gaming & Roccat) are a good few to look at. Gambit only look like themselves about half the time. They’re not consistent like they used to be in the days of IEM or even last Spring Split. I imagine when teams face Gambit instead of being scared, they just hope that that’s the game Gambit don’t show up. They have about a 45% chance of that apparently. For Roccat, we saw their early success thanks to smart play making up for their shortcomings (a weak early game). Our problem now is that they stopped improving and now their weak early game is a gaping hole for other teams to step through. We could point out these flaws for every team: Fnatic should be the best but individually they’ve been horrendous, Millennium have a weak jungler and mid (although Kerp has improved a lot), Alliance wait for their opponents to lose, SHC XD are too dependent on their laning phase while Wolves are too scared of making a mistake to act. We’d love to pick the teams apart in more detail but that won’t help us any.

We’d like to try and prove our point using SK Gaming. We really like SK Gaming. They were given little to no respect at the beginning of the season but they have slowly shown progression. They are the only team that improves each week without taking a step back. SK Gaming are a nice blend of intelligent yet aggressive. They’re one of the few teams that can drive home an advantage in the late game and their late game tower dives are ballsy to the extreme. Their lanes are all solid (but not outstanding) and Svenskeren is gaining recognition as one of the best junglers in Europe (we don’t want to start an argument, so we’ll call him top 3). But as a whole, right now, SK Gaming still aren’t a great team. They may well be playing the best in Europe at the moment, but they aren’t undeniably the best team in Europe. No offence to SK Gaming, we’re happy we have a team that’s playing well, but it’s almost disappointing that this is the best Europe has to offer right now. If SK keep playing and improving, they’ll win this split, they’re this season’s Lemondogs. But while SK have risen to the occasion, it’s only happened because everyone around them has crumbled. For every game a team does well, they play another where they don’t. For every game a good team plays badly, we weep the loss of what could have been.

To really drive this home, let’s take this to an individual level. The all-stars discussion gives us a good way to do this. There was a lot of talk about who the best players in each position were and it’s no surprise that no one agreed. This wasn’t solely down to fan bias, but honestly it’s because it’s a hard question to answer. Here’s our experiment, we’re not going to ask who the “best” player is, but instead:

Which tops are playing at an international level?
How would they do against Impact?

Which junglers are playing at an international level?
How would they do against Bengi?

Which mids are playing at an international level?
How would they do against Faker?

Which ADCs are playing at an international level?
How would they do against Piglet?

Which supports are playing at an international level?
How would they do against Casper?

Notice the wording. It isn’t “who could play at an international level” but “who is playing”. We could tell you our answers, but honestly nobody is more than a maybe and no one matches that well against their SKT counterparts. We can’t even think of a top or mid that we would even call maybes. We’re not decrying the EU LCS. We’re not trying to insult the teams (especially the new teams), but we need to say: we miss high-level European play and if it’s not being consistently delivered, then something needs to be done.


(Not Actually A) Week 9 Preview

Program, Deprogram and Reprogram



To do a week 9 preview before IEM would be quite the oversight, so we’ll save that for after IEM. As for IEM, we don’t hold out much hope for our teams, based on LCS performance, but due to the nature of the event, we could see a surge from Gambit or Fnatic – both teams have a history of looking completely different in standard tournaments. How far this gets them, we can’t really say. We wouldn’t be surprised to see all three European teams go out in the group stages. If Gambit or Fnatic suddenly turn it on, who knows?

Hopefully this event will be the slap in the face Europe needs.


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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
March 14 2014 18:35 GMT
#2
I enjoyed how close to the truth this article was on when considering how the EU teams played in IEM. I sincerely hope Riot forces more international tournaments in the next few seasons. I would love for this to happen. The current LCS format is going to be difficult to allow for this though.

I don't expect much different from NA LCS teams during IEM as well. There is one thing that might be helping NA LCS though. At least with NA LCS, there are teams coming from overseas/ players from overseas that might help the scene grow into something stronger(bjergsen, dexter, brokenshard, LMQ, and Quantic)
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 14 2014 22:37 GMT
#3
thx
nice review
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bunberry
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia96 Posts
March 15 2014 02:36 GMT
#4
Well, damn, after seeing how the EU teams did on the first day of IEM, this article seems really spot-on. I don't want to make any sweeping statements though, since they were playing bo1's, but overall, it's safe to say they sucked major balls. Gambit and Fnatic are supposed to be the flag bearers of the EU region, but both have been looking really inconsistent as of late.

The EU LCS may very well be stagnating due to top teams not being able to play consistently on a weekly basis, and while that is exciting since all 8 teams are in the running for a first place finish, the bar for that top spot is definitely lower when there is no dominating force leading the way.

For the question about who is playing on an international level, I can think of quite a few but I don't think my picks are all that conclusive since I'm not the best analyst of things...
Nonetheless, I'll list them: fredy122, Sven, Amazing, Froggen, forg1ven, MrRallez. I rate mechanics(especially laning) and "being there at the right time" above all else.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 15:54:40
March 17 2014 15:54 GMT
#5
The lack of high-level play is just another result of RIOT's redundant LCS. Why would a team like Gambit be willing to bring their A-game for every week, when they can play B-games and still come out on top? Surely, RIOT is hopefully starting to see the brighter picture here (shared first place, shared fourth place, that's just dumb), and maybe they will open up for more international tournaments like we saw prior to the launch of LCS.

I just don't think the whole setting is appropriate. Every team plays many matches each season. Who can tell what matches are important and what matches that just happens, because the schedule says so? In my opinion, there needs to be a drive or an urge to get into top 3, right now it's only shit if you're top 2 bottom, the rest doesn't matter.

In regards to your debate whether or not EU players are able to match the SKT counterpart i believe that the reason is the lack of international tournaments. So many NA and EU fans cheered for C9 during S3WC, hoping that a western team would finally be able to win games consistently versus Korean teams, but their lack of experience in an international LAN-environment resulted in a devastating loss against Fnatic (who obviously have ton of experience in this setting).
I do believe that if international tournaments still had been a thing in Season 3, C9 could've gotten further than the quarter-finals, but since RIOT forces team into Regions, the skill-level becomes a mess, where it's hard to tell who could perform at a top-level.
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