EPTOn March 15 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote:
That is awesome.
That is awesome.
If Hexakill meta was a thing, a roaming Blitz with Smite would be amazing
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
If Hexakill meta was a thing, a roaming Blitz with Smite would be amazing | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:03 iCanada wrote: I never said you didn't test things. There was a time where, as a silver level player, you were trying to dictate and tell people how to play support properly, and trying to tell people how to "properly Rune for lane" as any position was to use Scaling Runes instead of Flat Runes which is just... no. I never did that as a silver player. i didn't play support in silver i played carry and was bad at it. well i guess i was never in "silver" long. but i was around that elo season 1 for sure. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
You can do all the theorycrafting you want for why E is better, but W is more effective. You DO NOT want to use your ONLY HARD CC as waveclear as an immobile midlaner. Period. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:20 yamato77 wrote: I don't really care about the math, you're just wrong. W max is safer and clears waves better. As a midlaner in the current meta with no built in escapes, safety is extremely necessary, as many junglers bring lots of gapclose, CC, and/or burst to the table when ganking. You can't underrate the safety of having E off CD all the time. 12-13 seconds doesn't SEEM like a lot, but it is when there are junglers like Kha and Panth who jump on you from far away and blow you up. Even 2-3 autos per wave is a big deal when you're talking about shove wars where that could mean you being left behind in mid when your lane opponent roams. You can do all the theorycrafting you want for why E is better, but W is more effective. You DO NOT want to use your ONLY HARD CC as waveclear as an immobile midlaner. Period. khazix and pantheon both aren't long range initiation threats until level 6. you should have your cooldown to around 10 seconds by then. i'd be more concerned about like a zac gank prior honestly. you also don't DO anything in lane but clear and farm unless you use W for offense instead of wave clear. which leaves you out of luck if the opponent just clears and roams. you DO NOT want to sit there and do nothing in lane until the mid game as a character that isn't a late game powerhouse. the only time that sitting there and mass clearing would be beneficial to your team is if you are outscaling your lane opponent. because otherwise you are just passing time until your team carries you. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
You just made my argument for me, really. You have to clear fast or you get outplayed on the map. W clears faster. End of argument. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:27 yamato77 wrote: Right, so why would you max the INFERIOR CLEAR. You just made my argument for me, really. because you clear just as well baring an extra 3 seconds. and youa ctually can DO stuff in lane besides clear. if you max W you use 2 charges to clear the wave. cool. now you have 150 damage and no passive to fight the opponent or harrass him. if you use E and 1 W you can actually hit them with 155+passive. not to mention E comes back faster than W so you have more opportunities to fight. OKay end of argument? i guess thats why morgana is the #1 mid. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:31 yamato77 wrote: I'm not going to entertain you any further. thats probably for the best given how you are just ignoring any point of the game. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
if only i cared or knew anything about velkox id pull up another support warwick level of annoying everyone discussion | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:36 Slayer91 wrote: you guys suck at arguing against princexizor if only i cared or knew anything about velkox id pull up another support warwick level of annoying everyone discussion i mean its about as good as anyones argued here. given almost everyone here just uses ad hominem or "no your wrong because i said so". | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:41 PrinceXizor wrote: i mean its about as good as anyones argued here. given almost everyone here just uses ad hominem or "no your wrong because i said so". That's because very few people who play this game actually understand why anything they do is actually the right thing to do. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:48 TheYango wrote: That's because very few people who play this game actually understand why anything they do is actually the right thing to do. that's really damn true. | ||
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Kyrie
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:48 TheYango wrote: That's because very few people who play this game actually understand why anything they do is actually the right thing to do. yeah thats the root of it | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He can. Even if he couldn't, he's got Flash. And even then, he can walk from behind (coming from wraiths). And even then, he's strong enough to tower dive even early on. And he ignores every other jungler because the other guy didn't mention them, so they must not exist, right? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
At the moment, I'm leaving one point in E, and maxing Q and W at the same time. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 05:55 Alaric wrote: Then again PX's response to "you're using your cc/defensive ability to farm, having to burn it every wave, and it doesn't occur to you that're begging the jungler to camp you" is "but Pantheon can't engage from range before 6!" He can. Even if he couldn't, he's got Flash. And even then, he can walk from behind (coming from wraiths). And even then, he's strong enough to tower dive even early on. And he ignores every other jungler because the other guy didn't mention them, so they must not exist, right? no. that was not my response. my response was if you are being camped thats probably a good thing given how your jungler than has free reign to terrorize anywhere. and you KNOW you are being camped, unless you aren't buying wards but thats a non build order related mistake. there are situations where you want to max W. like against champions whose entire MO is wave clear in an instant and then roam or mass farm like Morde/Morgana/TF/diana, but those aren't super popular or even good right now, even gragas has more inter-lane interaction. Using your CC to farm isn't a big deal when its on a 10 second CD by at level 5. for the same reason that using red cards to farm melee minions wasn't a major detriment to TF in his heyday. the cooldown was short enough it wasn't a problem. if you have your CC on a ten second CD. lets say the opponent is at your wraiths. you use tectonic, it'll take a second for the jungler to react it'll take 4 seconds to walk into the lane. flash -> aegis is once every 4 minutes. and takes a second to execute. so assume the jungler is camping, you don't notice this, he reacts immediately, and jumps in then you have 2-3 seconds to get back to your tower, as a character that doesn't clear particularly fast so the wave is always closer to your tower on average. and this also assumes pantheon takes 0 seconds to dodge your Q and it misses and just absorbs your rifts not giving a fuck. the only time your CC is down is right after a wave is cleared for the next 10 seconds. if you aren't clearing the wave and don't have a secure knowledge of where the jungler is, what are you doing? sitting the the middle of the lane waiting? or retreating a bit? if you know you are being camped and then clear in the middle of your lane knowing that, and don't have wards, all those things are your fault and solved by moving closer to your tower. and letting your team know whats going on. and then buying wards. you shouldn't be changing your skill order to accommodate your bad play. you should be improving the bad play. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On March 15 2014 06:06 PrinceXizor wrote: no. that was not my response. my response was if you are being camped thats probably a good thing given how your jungler than has free reign to terrorize anywhere. and you KNOW you are being camped, unless you aren't buying wards but thats a non build order related mistake. there are situations where you want to max W. like against champions whose entire MO is wave clear in an instant and then roam or mass farm like Morde/Morgana/TF/diana, but those aren't super popular or even good right now, even gragas has more inter-lane interaction. Using your CC to farm isn't a big deal when its on a 10 second CD by at level 5. for the same reason that using red cards to farm melee minions wasn't a major detriment to TF in his heyday. the cooldown was short enough it wasn't a problem. <snipped hypothetical scenario> Let's not spread misinformation here, and let's especially not theorycraft scenarios based on that misinformation. At level 5 E-max has a 14 second cooldown. Even at rank 5 it has a 12 second CD. and yeah, when your conclusion is that you have 2-3 seconds to run before your CC is up and saves you that 4 seconds of error ends up being a big deal. | ||
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