EPTHonestly though. They might as well make the spellshield an active ability. The way it works (passively) right now is kind of weird.
[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 114
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Honestly though. They might as well make the spellshield an active ability. The way it works (passively) right now is kind of weird. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
And then it would be too similar to QSS. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 15 2014 03:07 Rooster Cogburn wrote: So now that people have had time to play Vel'koz, what is the typical play style for him? Quick wave clear and roam with w max or q max and poke and hope to know geometry better than your opponent? Or W max is really superior to Q max. With W max, you actually have a real burst combo with WE (one passive proc) WQ (second passive proc) R (usually dead champion). W is the easiest way to consistently pop your passive, and you need the waveclear it provides to do anything on the map, because you're most likely facing one of the FOTM waveclear specialists. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 15 2014 03:31 krndandaman wrote: should lower the health on banshee's. atm it gives way too much stats when you're mostly getting it for the passive. Then it is too weak because the shield is unreliable. You can't honestly get the item due to the value of the shield on the surface. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 03:30 yamato77 wrote: W max is really superior to Q max. With W max, you actually have a real burst combo with WE (one passive proc) WQ (second passive proc) R (usually dead champion). W is the easiest way to consistently pop your passive, and you need the waveclear it provides to do anything on the map, because you're most likely facing one of the FOTM waveclear specialists. you can clear with Tectonic max, and have more opportunities to deal damage at the same time. your passive does most of your trading damage overall anyway the loss of 20 damage every other level is fine when you only need 1 rift to clear with tectonic max. you aren't going to be getting both hits on your rift without tectonic being up anyway or your opponent being bad. Tectonics cooldown is your limiting factor in lane more than anything, so leveling it first brings it down quite a bit when you need it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On March 15 2014 02:03 dae wrote: I remember when athenes/chalice was actually considered a MR item instead of a god item. Uh, Athene's was a god item on release, then it became an ubergod item cause people were dumbfucks and didn't buy it, so Riot buffed it. 90AP Athenes, never forget. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: PrinceXizor I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not because it's possible that you're just dumb and argumentative lol orrr i could be right. :/ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Your burst aside from passive in a combo is all W, bro. You get 2 in a combo, while with E you only get 1. E is a limiting factor in harass but it's also strictly worse for shoving waves. Also, if you're using E as your main waveclear, you're going to get ganked when it's on CD and die because your only other CC is Q, which is hard to hit AND not hard CC. You often need both Q and E up to get away from a ganking jungler, so having W max lets you safely clear waves. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I notice you are an archon now, did you merge with SarahBryant? Or perhaps you infested SarahBryant so she is now like the Queen of claws and your true name is QueenXizor or Careiggan. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote: E max? Your burst aside from passive in a combo is all W, bro. You get 2 in a combo, while with E you only get 1. E is a limiting factor in harass but it's also strictly worse for shoving waves. Also, if you're using E as your main waveclear, you're going to get ganked when it's on CD and die because your only other CC is Q, which is hard to hit AND not hard CC. You often need both Q and E up to get away from a ganking jungler, so having W max lets you safely clear waves. your W doesn't hit both parts without E unless the opponent makes a mistake or is another immobile caster who got hit by your Q. your W does 20 more damage per level if both parts hit. thats 40 extra damage at level 5, 80 if they get caught in everything if you aren't using E to waveclear then you don't have any W charges up at all to fight with, so you end up dealing LESS damage overall than with using E to waveclear. You can't simultaneously argue that using E to wave clear means it goes off CD and then you can't do much, while arguing that using both W charges to wave clear is fine because then you can deal 130 damage and not proc your passive. if you are getting ganked in the 12-13 second window its on CD then you used E when you saw a jungler right there with your wards and thats your own fault. if you used it under turret then you can hit an easy Q since there won't be creeps in the way and they can't juke in many directions because of tower damage. not to mention you can always be ganked when you use E to harrass as well, and lowering the cooldown lowers that possibility greatly. if you are referring to 2 in a combo in mid game fights? then you are probably better off using them to proc your passive for the 120+ true damage. you can get 4 procs of that off on an enemy in team fights so using them off the bat to try to get a little extra magic damage is less than efficient. at level 5 Vel koz does 80(+.6) + 70(+.5) +175(+.625) then another 70(+.25) IF you have a second charge of Rift (aka you didn't clear the prior wave) and then another 105(+.375) IF they stand still. thats 325(+1.725) if you cleared the prior wave and another 175+.625 if you didn't. with tectonic max you deal 360(+2.35) because you always will have 2 rifts up when you need them. EDIT: passive adds 150 damage to W max or 225 if you didn't clear a prior wave, and 225 to tectonic max. Past 5 the argument is becomes more about openings and utility, which obviously tectonic max outshines rift max. TL;DR wave clear for both are roughly equal, it takes a couple autos to clear with tectonic max that it doesn't with rift max. its all about what works better outside of waveclear, and having both rifts up for those fights by making tectonic a part of your clear beats the damage output even without the passive, of rift max clearing. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:28 Slayer91 wrote: I notice you are an archon now, did you merge with SarahBryant? Or perhaps you infested SarahBryant so she is now like the Queen of claws and your true name is QueenXizor or Careiggan. Xizor been arguing trolly things for a very very long time. Certainly before SarahBryant. EDIT: That is awesome. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote: Xizor been arguing trolly things for a very very long time. Certainly before SarahBryant. Never once argued something without testing it and enjoying playing it and also doing well with it. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:58 PrinceXizor wrote: Never once argued something without testing it and enjoying playing it and also doing well with it. I never said you didn't test things. There was a time where, as a silver level player, you were trying to dictate and tell people how to play support properly, and trying to tell people how to "properly Rune for lane" as any position was to use Scaling Runes instead of Flat Runes which is just... no. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:58 PrinceXizor wrote: Never once argued something without testing it and enjoying playing it and also doing well with it. According to Sarah, so did she. | ||
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