EPT[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 113
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 14 2014 22:37 Cixah wrote: After watching all these pro games everywhere that have been happening (both super weeks ogn ect), I am starting to think that Banshee's is a little too good. It's one of those items that all 5 members of the team seem to be getting by the 30/40 minute mark, and its basicly a get out of jail free card for any of your normal engage type support/junglers. Am I crazy for thinking this? Or does anyone else think the same thing? You might say that. IMO, front loaded burst is too strong, and banshees is the best and most logical counter. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
There are still champions that prefer SV, but those champions aren't as popular atm. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On March 15 2014 00:19 Alzadar wrote: Of course it's awkward if you build them in a funny order. What's wrong with straight Cowl -> Veil -> Kindlegem -> Visage, or Cowl -> Visage -> Merc's -> Veil? I think it's important to get some CDR on your first back, and straight-up rushing a Veil really negatively affects your Q farm. On the other hand, rushing a Visage doesn't really do anything any more, because you don't get any CDR benefit and the Banshee's Veil is so much better against burst AP casters (like the roaming Annie that was 6/0/0 by 7 minutes). | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 15 2014 01:15 VayneAuthority wrote: MR itemization in this game has been garbage since the beginning of time, they can't seem to figure that one out Wasnt that bad when FoN was in the game tbh. Now it needs apretty big overhaul i feel | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 15 2014 01:35 arb wrote: Wasnt that bad when FoN was in the game tbh. Now it needs apretty big overhaul i feel It was fine after the changes they made mid S3. The people had to get all uppity about champion synergy. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On March 15 2014 01:37 Gahlo wrote: It was fine after the changes they made mid S3. The people had to get all uppity about champion synergy. I remember when athenes/chalice was actually considered a MR item instead of a god item. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On March 15 2014 02:03 dae wrote: I remember when athenes/chalice was actually considered a MR item instead of a god item. You mean back when it was better than it is now?  If anything, I think a small buff to the regen on SV would be fine. I don't think Banshee's is a problem, but that's just me. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
This would be fine if Riot would accept that certain metagames favor certain modes of protection, but invariably Riot's response to a particular MR item being frequently bought is that the item is OP and needs to be nerfed--not that it just happens to suit the way the game is being played. | ||
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Rooster Cogburn
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Rooster Cogburn
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 15 2014 03:05 TheYango wrote: The thing about MR itemization is that incoming magic damage is one of the things that's been most variable over this game's history, and MR itemization has to be chosen based on its appropriateness for how the game plays at the time. This would be fine if Riot would accept that certain metagames favor certain modes of protection, but invariably Riot's response to a particular MR item being frequently bought is that the item is OP and needs to be nerfed--not that it just happens to suit the way the game is being played. In this particular case I think Banshee's and SV are too similar, though. They have their passives, 20 hp5 for SV, and 50 HP for Banshee's for differenciate them, and that's all. 2750 gold, 55 MR, 400+ HP. In this case nerfing the specifics of one (SV's CDR here) will make them so close that it's very easy to have one better than the other in almost all cases. I'd rather have them remove/add HP/MR from one or both, and buff the unique stuff (unique as in specific to the item, not "unique passive") so you have clear cut cases where one or the other shines more. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Though personally I think the change to Veil that made taking damage while the shield was down reset the shield CD to be an awful change. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
The 45 regen after taking a hit on Banshees is atm pretty similar to the 20 HP/5 and healing bonus on SV, which is strange to me. People bought SV before because 20% CDR is 20% CDR, but the appeal of the item IMO shouldn't be CDR, it should be that sustained regen. You can't really remove the regen from Banshees just on the grounds that it's awkward when Cowl has the regen and you upgrade it and it suddenly goes away, although if Banshees did get a nerf, the regen is where I'd like to see it hit. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
it was one of my favouritest items | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
obviously with more mr than SV and less hp too bveil shouldn't give regen at all and im not sure SV should either | ||
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