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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 02:05:55
March 14 2014 02:04 GMT
#2201
Just got kicked from a game in progress on EUW, couldn't get back in at all. Restarted PC and now I have no option to reconnect. 4th loss in a row I think I'm getting demoted lol!

Anyone else having issues?

EDIT: And now the client is telling me the match never existed, not in my match history at all. w t f
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 14 2014 03:37 GMT
#2202
Been getting alot of lag on NA recently,it shows like 80 ping then i'll randomly freeze or other things. quite strange
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
March 14 2014 04:20 GMT
#2203
seriously how the fk i lane against rek? his stupid bully keeps me away from csing, even i can push i still dont feel safe because of his stupid gap closer. Harassing him is like wasting mana due to his Q.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 14 2014 04:23 GMT
#2204
On March 14 2014 12:37 arb wrote:
Been getting alot of lag on NA recently,it shows like 80 ping then i'll randomly freeze or other things. quite strange

This for me too. The ping never changes, and my FPS never changes, but I freeze for a second or two at a time. Pretty odd. It wasn't anything too crippling, but I could see it really fucking someone over in the laning phase.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 04:33:31
March 14 2014 04:29 GMT
#2205
On March 14 2014 13:20 justiceknight wrote:
seriously how the fk i lane against rek? his stupid bully keeps me away from csing, even i can push i still dont feel safe because of his stupid gap closer. Harassing him is like wasting mana due to his Q.


The problem is you're picking someone with mana. Probably the only champ with mana I can see doing well (when the players are at even footing) against the croc would be Trundle*, but even then you have problems because he builds damage and out trades you because your ult doesn't take very many resists off of him.

So far the best top lane pick for me against him is Shyvana. Maxing E gives you a lot of damage for poke and makes CS easier if he zones, and Burnout gives you a lot of counter engage potential if he slice/dices to get to you. Her ult is also great for escaping him, and the dragon is just as big a presence in teamfights if not more so because dragon form is such a reliable engage tool.

Mundo is good pick if you now for sure you survive the early game, but it's really easy to just get stomped and feed so it's not something I'd recommend.

But yeah, just my scrub two cents. Laning against him is pain, one of the main reasons I try to avoid top lane whenever possible.

*possible I'm forgetting someone very obvious here, take with a grain of salt.

edit: Oh yeah I forgot pick Lulu, tell jungle to come at 3, and laugh in his face, it's actually hilarious how easy that matchup can go downhill for the croc. I know from experience. D:
Call me Sunday
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 14 2014 04:31 GMT
#2206
On March 14 2014 13:20 justiceknight wrote:
seriously how the fk i lane against rek? his stupid bully keeps me away from csing, even i can push i still dont feel safe because of his stupid gap closer. Harassing him is like wasting mana due to his Q.

you used to be able to pick shyvana and it was kind of an even skill matchup with you having better scaling, after the shyv nerfs i think you just have to wait for renekton "changes".

although maybe now with the doran's shield nerf you can abuse him with like a lulu or a kennen sacrificing your teams tankiness for not getting crushed in lane.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 14 2014 04:36 GMT
#2207
vayne goes even with renek in lane and provides outplay potential for both sides to win it. Pretty fun lane.
I come in for the scraps
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 14 2014 04:37 GMT
#2208
On March 14 2014 13:29 InfSunday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 13:20 justiceknight wrote:
seriously how the fk i lane against rek? his stupid bully keeps me away from csing, even i can push i still dont feel safe because of his stupid gap closer. Harassing him is like wasting mana due to his Q.


The problem is you're picking someone with mana. Probably the only champ with mana I can see doing well (when the players are at even footing) against the croc would be Trundle*, but even then you have problems because he builds damage and out trades you because your ult doesn't take very many resists off of him.

So far the best top lane pick for me against him is Shyvana. Maxing E gives you a lot of damage for poke and makes CS easier if he zones, and Burnout gives you a lot of counter engage potential if he slice/dices to get to you. Her ult is also great for escaping him, and the dragon is just as big a presence in teamfights if not more so because dragon form is such a reliable engage tool.

Mundo is good pick if you now for sure you survive the early game, but it's really easy to just get stomped and feed so it's not something I'd recommend.

But yeah, just my scrub two cents. Laning against him is pain, one of the main reasons I try to avoid top lane whenever possible.

*possible I'm forgetting someone very obvious here, take with a grain of salt.

edit: Oh yeah I forgot pick Lulu, tell jungle to come at 3, and laugh in his face, it's actually hilarious how easy that matchup can go downhill for the croc. I know from experience. D:

You should max W not E. W will give more damage while E is still gonna burn 2% health an auto.

I've never ever had a single problem vs Renekton as Shyvana even early just bully the fuck outta him
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InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
March 14 2014 04:41 GMT
#2209
^ But when you max w and he realizes what you're doing, doesn't he just run away with e/e and then out trade you when it runs out?
Call me Sunday
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 14 2014 04:55 GMT
#2210
On March 14 2014 13:41 InfSunday wrote:
^ But when you max w and he realizes what you're doing, doesn't he just run away with e/e and then out trade you when it runs out?

Wait till he comes in to trade? you dont have to just run up to him you know
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
March 14 2014 05:03 GMT
#2211
On March 14 2014 13:55 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 13:41 InfSunday wrote:
^ But when you max w and he realizes what you're doing, doesn't he just run away with e/e and then out trade you when it runs out?

Wait till he comes in to trade? you dont have to just run up to him you know


Oh, I'm sorry I didn't explain well. He's waiting for you to put w on to dash away, using his q/w to fight you when you try to farm. Obviously don't just run up to him like a moron, that wouldn't work no matter what champ you're against.

I'm also not saying that w max can't work, it just seems to me like a lot of the damage could be worked around from the croc's point of view.
Call me Sunday
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 14 2014 06:18 GMT
#2212
On March 14 2014 13:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
vayne goes even with renek in lane and provides outplay potential for both sides to win it. Pretty fun lane.

fuck vayne's outplay potential, i was a silver 4 amumu against a team with a gold 4 vayne in my first teambuilder game and i had 2-3 ultimates embarrassingly ruined by well-timed condemns. like i couldn't even be mad when he laughed at me in all-chat because it was so obvious that i had been outplayed.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 14 2014 06:24 GMT
#2213
On March 14 2014 14:03 InfSunday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 13:55 arb wrote:
On March 14 2014 13:41 InfSunday wrote:
^ But when you max w and he realizes what you're doing, doesn't he just run away with e/e and then out trade you when it runs out?

Wait till he comes in to trade? you dont have to just run up to him you know


Oh, I'm sorry I didn't explain well. He's waiting for you to put w on to dash away, using his q/w to fight you when you try to farm. Obviously don't just run up to him like a moron, that wouldn't work no matter what champ you're against.

I'm also not saying that w max can't work, it just seems to me like a lot of the damage could be worked around from the croc's point of view.

Ive always W maxed and not had a problem truthfully. If he goes damage you outright rape him regardless also
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 14 2014 06:34 GMT
#2214
was at 1700 mmr last season. now at 1500 lolol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 14 2014 06:41 GMT
#2215
I thought the whole deal with Renekton was you just lose the lane, but pick someone who will outscale him eventually.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
March 14 2014 06:43 GMT
#2216
On March 14 2014 15:41 JazzVortical wrote:
I thought the whole deal with Renekton was you just lose the lane, but pick someone who will outscale him eventually.

With the changes to Dshield/Perserverence, Renekton has gotten stronger. Now he can actually put people behind and delay them from relevance instead of it just being a stopgap.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 14 2014 06:45 GMT
#2217
On March 14 2014 15:34 arb wrote:
was at 1700 mmr last season. now at 1500 lolol

Oh yea!!!

Diamond 5 last season to Gold 5

GET ON MAH LEVEL
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oh ya know go past it o.o
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2014 06:46 GMT
#2218
On March 14 2014 15:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 15:41 JazzVortical wrote:
I thought the whole deal with Renekton was you just lose the lane, but pick someone who will outscale him eventually.

With the changes to Dshield/Perserverence, Renekton has gotten stronger. Now he can actually put people behind and delay them from relevance instead of it just being a stopgap.

pretty much, especially if he decides to get tiamat first. you can just say good bye to your lane, cuz you aint' seeing it again.

Like it was mentioned, Vayne is probably the only champ I know that can go even then outscale in lane.
liftlift > tsm
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
March 14 2014 06:50 GMT
#2219
On March 14 2014 13:20 justiceknight wrote:
seriously how the fk i lane against rek? his stupid bully keeps me away from csing, even i can push i still dont feel safe because of his stupid gap closer. Harassing him is like wasting mana due to his Q.


Shen. I'm still a fan of dshield start on him vs renek. After lvl 4, trade with him when both your passive and q are up. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRADE OTHERWISE. If (and only if) you have minion advantage try to taunt him and initiate that trade auto q auto. Othserwise just harass with q auto when you have both up and he goes for cs. Rush sunfire cape, (giant belt first) after lvl 9 the lane becomes really easy for you because you out trade him. And after sunfire you can just bully him for the rest of the game. Do not die to him lvls 1-4. Run ignite vs him. Also. lvls 1-4 there's a very high chance you'll be pushed to tower. lane ganks are really strong if your jungler has any form of cc.

I'm only a plat 1 jungler/support so my understanding of top lane is very limited, but I love picking shen into renekton.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 14 2014 07:01 GMT
#2220
Yeah Shen actually crushes Renekton if he gets a gank, it's pretty strong. Croc is just a bigger threat in teamfights, but Shen wins lane from my experience.
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