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[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 2

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petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 22:35:09
November 20 2013 22:33 GMT
#21
Ha, the base damage growth of turrets to make the "player experience of last hitting" more consistent is like, the most riot thing riot has ever done.

EDIT:
exact wording here:
+ Show Spoiler +
The player experience for last hitting under turrets was inconsistent between high attack damage champions and supports or mages. We've adjusted turret base damage and damage against minions to make last hitting under turrets more consistent across all roles.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 22:37:07
November 20 2013 22:34 GMT
#22
nvm
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
November 20 2013 22:42 GMT
#23
Finally I dont have to play dominion to bring out bruiser Taric. It just comes naturally now!
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 20 2013 22:43 GMT
#24
On November 21 2013 07:29 zer0das wrote:
Annie can't proc Lichbane procs on command constantly, then heal herself from near death.


She kinda can proc LB on Command. It has a 1.5 S CD, Q has a 2.5 S CD with CDR.

She can't heal herself, but she does much more damage and is tankier with E. ARAM is like the perfect Sona environment, and she still isn't ridiculous there if you have any competent divers.

On November 21 2013 07:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:28 UnKooL wrote:
Wait so what stops ppl from playing supports mid?

Real question is what is preventing duo lanes with supports as the farmed carry?


Well, if they didn't oversell the gold from it, nothing other than ranged ADs are like really good at last hitting. Are you thinking like Cait-Ashe?
Freeeeeeedom
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 20 2013 22:43 GMT
#25
Assist streak gold seems like a significant boost in gold for people who are getting it, especially given the reduction to assist baseline gold. It seems pretty reasonable for the bonus gold for high assists to be giving you more gold than the baseline on teamfight kills that have 4 or 5 involved champs.
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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
November 20 2013 22:46 GMT
#26
Corki buffs seem insane, despite Q becoming a skillshot.

Sivir nerfs are much more mild than I expected they would be - if you hit them with q both ways I doubt you'll notice anything at all, actually.

I love the way they changed Gragas bodyslam, don't think a nerf on his barrel would've been neccessary though.

All in all I'm just excited for League changes cuz there's always so much new shit to abuse (mostly due to masteries/runes and general changes) and the ladder is a huge mess (also fun as hell).
wat
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 22:50:37
November 20 2013 22:49 GMT
#27
IBG Taric is going to rock people so hard with his hammer.
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
November 20 2013 22:53 GMT
#28
is this it for s4 or more to come?
jaymik kr/na
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#29
On November 21 2013 07:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:29 zer0das wrote:
Annie can't proc Lichbane procs on command constantly, then heal herself from near death.


She kinda can proc LB on Command. It has a 1.5 S CD, Q has a 2.5 S CD with CDR.

She can't heal herself, but she does much more damage and is tankier with E. ARAM is like the perfect Sona environment, and she still isn't ridiculous there if you have any competent divers.

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:28 UnKooL wrote:
Wait so what stops ppl from playing supports mid?

Real question is what is preventing duo lanes with supports as the farmed carry?


Well, if they didn't oversell the gold from it, nothing other than ranged ADs are like really good at last hitting. Are you thinking like Cait-Ashe?

No, more like Janna, Ashe, where Janna gets all the CS. And Ashe just gets enough gold for IE+Shiv.
liftlift > tsm
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
November 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#30
So many small and big changes, no idea how S4 is going to turn but I'm excited for any change. The client additions are also a nice touch, especially for streamers.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#31
On November 21 2013 07:53 jaymik wrote:
is this it for s4 or more to come?

They mentioned a rework of runes coming later, as well as probably some inevitable league-of-black-cleavers type imbalance that will be discovered and then nerfed
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
November 20 2013 22:57 GMT
#32
Lol:

Every 1000 gold earned from minions / monsters reduces your death spree by 1 death


Fuck splitpushing as a strategy right?
@miicah88
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 20 2013 23:00 GMT
#33
On November 21 2013 07:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:29 zer0das wrote:
Annie can't proc Lichbane procs on command constantly, then heal herself from near death.


She kinda can proc LB on Command. It has a 1.5 S CD, Q has a 2.5 S CD with CDR.

She can't heal herself, but she does much more damage and is tankier with E. ARAM is like the perfect Sona environment, and she still isn't ridiculous there if you have any competent divers.


Lichbane is a 2 second cooldown. Realistically, when are you ever going to have 40% CDR as Annie with a Lichbane? Like never? It takes almost no build deviation to do that as Sona, which is the point- you're churning out heals and Lichbane procs like its nothing. Competant divers only matter if they ever get to their targets with their health somewhat intact, which rarely happens in an ARAM situation against Sona.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#34
I generally like the direction of the changes, although there is surely a lot of tuning left to be done. In any case change is good.
So excited. :D
Off-season = best season
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 20 2013 23:11 GMT
#35
On November 21 2013 07:57 miicah wrote:
Lol:

Show nested quote +
Every 1000 gold earned from minions / monsters reduces your death spree by 1 death


Fuck splitpushing as a strategy right?


Uhh...this is anti splitpush.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
November 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#36
That's what he just said :D
wat
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#37
On November 21 2013 07:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:43 cLutZ wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:29 zer0das wrote:
Annie can't proc Lichbane procs on command constantly, then heal herself from near death.


She kinda can proc LB on Command. It has a 1.5 S CD, Q has a 2.5 S CD with CDR.

She can't heal herself, but she does much more damage and is tankier with E. ARAM is like the perfect Sona environment, and she still isn't ridiculous there if you have any competent divers.

On November 21 2013 07:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:28 UnKooL wrote:
Wait so what stops ppl from playing supports mid?

Real question is what is preventing duo lanes with supports as the farmed carry?


Well, if they didn't oversell the gold from it, nothing other than ranged ADs are like really good at last hitting. Are you thinking like Cait-Ashe?

No, more like Janna, Ashe, where Janna gets all the CS. And Ashe just gets enough gold for IE+Shiv.


Janna has too low attack range and animations. Plus with the changes she can't 1 shot minions, like ever. Maybe Ori-Ashe. The key to such a strategy is your CSer to actually be good at CSing against a traditional lane.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2013 23:19 GMT
#38
On November 21 2013 08:17 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:55 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:43 cLutZ wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:29 zer0das wrote:
Annie can't proc Lichbane procs on command constantly, then heal herself from near death.


She kinda can proc LB on Command. It has a 1.5 S CD, Q has a 2.5 S CD with CDR.

She can't heal herself, but she does much more damage and is tankier with E. ARAM is like the perfect Sona environment, and she still isn't ridiculous there if you have any competent divers.

On November 21 2013 07:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 21 2013 07:28 UnKooL wrote:
Wait so what stops ppl from playing supports mid?

Real question is what is preventing duo lanes with supports as the farmed carry?


Well, if they didn't oversell the gold from it, nothing other than ranged ADs are like really good at last hitting. Are you thinking like Cait-Ashe?

No, more like Janna, Ashe, where Janna gets all the CS. And Ashe just gets enough gold for IE+Shiv.


Janna has too low attack range and animations. Plus with the changes she can't 1 shot minions, like ever. Maybe Ori-Ashe. The key to such a strategy is your CSer to actually be good at CSing against a traditional lane.

Could run Janna + Lee Sin, or some sort of bruiser, just offer too much damage that they can't stop you from csing.
Would be a pretty funny evolution of meta.
liftlift > tsm
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
November 20 2013 23:22 GMT
#39
I meant supports champions mid as ap carries
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 20 2013 23:22 GMT
#40
On November 21 2013 07:57 miicah wrote:
Lol:

Show nested quote +
Every 1000 gold earned from minions / monsters reduces your death spree by 1 death


Fuck splitpushing as a strategy right?

It's honestly not that big a change. Unless you're proxy-farming singed, how often do you have a death spree that's not 0 or 1 anyway? Note that your death spree goes down by 1 whenever you get an assist, too.
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