No? A person standing anywhere is just as effective(well, ineffective) at detecting an Eve as a person with oracles. Pink ward spam was how you prevented her from getting easy/undetected flanks.

^what red said

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

November 21 2013 02:37 GMT

#82

On November 21 2013 11:23 GolemMadness wrote:

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But it's after already nerfing her early game so much that she was already in a bad spot, compared to Janna, who's been top 3 in win percentage for a LONG time now. Lulu hasn't been good as a support for months now, and these changes will only make her less popular and viable.

Eh. Lulu's popularity has been rising a bit as of late, especially in OGN. She did get her early game hit, but it's not as bad compared to Janna.

Janna's top 3 win rate in solo q is deceptive for determining her strength. Historically, supports have always had very high win rates, with a few exceptions. While Janna's winrate in solo q is high, likely due to her ability to bail your team out of terrible fights, her existence in the pro scene is minimal.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

November 21 2013 02:54 GMT

#83

On November 21 2013 10:31 ItsFunToLose wrote:
[Patch 3.14] League of Nerfs: Stop playing support+adc bot.

oh look, you need 600 AP to get to where you were season 3. goodluck. We're totally fine with fiddle and zyra though. GG

Nah, Zyra and Fiddle will just get nerfed, hard. Possibly along with like Ori, Annie, Leblanc, Lux, Liss, Morg, etc (whichever of them become popular supports), probably along with some random champs like Xin and Aatrox who are really quite frightening already in kill lanes. One thing Riot always seems to do is get mad when things don't fit the meta they envision (even though they say they dont enforce it).

ItsFunToLose

United States776 Posts

November 21 2013 02:55 GMT

#84

If riot misses this opportunity to make a pi joke, I'm going to be so Alaric, I am disappoint.

If the next three patches aren't labeled:
Patch 3.141

Patch 3.1415

Patch 3.14159

I will do nothing but play teemo in ranked for all of sesaon 4.

EDIT:

Hey Ketara, I summon you!

Hybrid penetration marks vs AD marks on teemo.(running 30-0-0 masteries, 26 flat AP from runes(blues/quints). ap/lvl yellows for 17 at level 18. difference in level 1 harass damage?

Difference at level 9? 18?

level 1 teemo vs nasus with 19 armor, 30 MR, dorans shield.

18magic, 52physical, 7 7 7 7 dot damage.

vs

17magic, 56physical, 7 7 7 7 dot damage

-5 MR is like a 2-3% damage increase depending on target MR.

ad runes seem to add ~4 damage per auto, and you lose about 1-2 damage from magic sources(fractionally lower damage from the dot doesn't seem to matter. might total 27 instead of 28. hard to tell in a quick bot game test)

In a real game they'd have a lot more than 19 armor. the Arpen would be less effective than it is at 19 armor, and I would expect the damage gain to be closer to 5 damage per auto than 4.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

November 21 2013 03:15 GMT

#85

On November 21 2013 09:19 -Zoda- wrote:
Forcing Vlad and morde players into buying Mana Regen is a bit uncool.

Better than when they removed mana regen from Nashors as a target nerf to Kayle and said it was because having mana regen on an attack speed item was awkward.

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

November 21 2013 03:31 GMT

#86

On November 21 2013 12:15 obesechicken13 wrote:

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Better than when they removed mana regen from Nashors as a target nerf to Kayle and said it was because having mana regen on an attack speed item was awkward.

At least they removed a that stat/recipe rather than remove it altogether. Force of Nature was (and still is) one of my most favorite items when I first got into League.

TheEmulator

28100 Posts

November 21 2013 03:42 GMT

#87

Is Jinx competitively viable? I saw someone playing her on stream today and she seemed great at tower pushing, and overall a decent ADC.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

November 21 2013 03:45 GMT

#88

On November 21 2013 12:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Is Jinx competitively viable? I saw someone playing her on stream today and she seemed great at tower pushing, and overall a decent ADC.

I thought she seemed pretty good as well. Surprised there is so much more Lucian in OGN. Maybe it's just the meta not favoring hyper carries at the moment.

Edit: Also, I really like the Crucible change, seems like the closest implementation of a cheaper support item with the active being the main focus. Also I really like getting chalice in lane because I play against bad players and being able to just spam spells when they misplay is nice lol.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

November 21 2013 03:51 GMT

#89

What are the chances that riot revert any of these ~~castrations~~changes?

What am i supposed to do with forecast Janna now?

I cant even reliably get her in ARAMs...

Sprouter

United States1724 Posts

November 21 2013 03:56 GMT

#90

On November 21 2013 12:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Is Jinx competitively viable? I saw someone playing her on stream today and she seemed great at tower pushing, and overall a decent ADC.

On OGN DoA mentioned that the Samsung teams are still testing her out in practice.

Zdrastochye

Ivory Coast6262 Posts

November 21 2013 03:56 GMT

#91

The support changes are interesting, I'll be playing a lot of support to see how it plays out. Leona got a bit stronger, I can appreciate that.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

November 21 2013 03:57 GMT

#92

On November 21 2013 12:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Is Jinx competitively viable? I saw someone playing her on stream today and she seemed great at tower pushing, and overall a decent ADC.

Probably the best late game adc imo. Dat range, and dat chase. It's pretty insane.

Dusty

United States3359 Posts

November 21 2013 03:59 GMT

#93

On November 21 2013 12:57 wei2coolman wrote:

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Probably the best late game adc imo. Dat range, and dat chase. It's pretty insane.

uhhhh no, twitch/kog/trist can easily outcarry her, I think she's stronger than vayne late though.

chalice

United States1945 Posts

November 21 2013 04:07 GMT

#94

it's probably not very easy to play a champ without any kind of dash/jump at the highest levels of play

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

November 21 2013 04:07 GMT

#95

On November 21 2013 12:59 Dusty wrote:

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uhhhh no, twitch/kog/trist can easily outcarry her, I think she's stronger than vayne late though.

Out damage, sure. But, the ability to folow up in fight is pretty insane. Not to mention having an execute for an ability allows her to farm up gold quite easily. Great for kaing to get her rolling as well.

TheEmulator

28100 Posts

November 21 2013 04:11 GMT

#96

I'm watching TheOddOne's stream and he has over 200K IP. Just thought I would mention that.

On another note, how much IP should I save up for when I'm 30 and need to get a couple rune pages.

Dusty

United States3359 Posts

November 21 2013 04:12 GMT

#97

all 3 of those carries have ways to catch up to their targets.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

November 21 2013 04:13 GMT

#98

I understand what Riot is trying to do, but I much prefer Season 4 to the "2014 Season"

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

November 21 2013 04:16 GMT

#99

Jinx is the best of Kog/Trist/Twitch+her because her midgame is strong. Trist is still the best overall once you get to a certain point; her Range +Q + Self Peel is really good. Jinx can take dragons with her team in like 1/2 the time though at lvl 6, 9, etc. In fact, that is really what makes her so scary to me. If you get any advantage at the bottom half of the map (like a kill bot, mid, or on the jungler, or just force 1 back) she takes the drag soooooo fast with just like, double dorans.