On October 23 2013 02:39 TheYango wrote: Cheep I don't agree with that. The fact that a strong player can make anything successful in a pub context does not invalidate discussion about what is more or less effective for winning pubs.
But that wasn't the discussion. I'm all for discussing TL Certified Pubstomp Strats (tm), but using solo q viability as a way of saying a character is "good" doesn't mean much.
To elaborate, there are two discussion topics:
1. How to win pubs. Perfectly fine. 2. What is viable/competitive/good in pubs. Not fine
Why? The latter is a moot point because the answer is everything.
If you ever want to have a discussion on viability, etc, it must only be in the context of top tier competitive play for the discussion to have any meaning.
What is the actual difference? Name me a champ that stomps pubs but isn't viable in competition?
Geez, just because "everything works in soloQ" doesn't mean I can't cringe when we have Hecarim and Leona and the two last picks get AP Nidalee and Blue Ezreal.
(And no it's not a qq, it's in reference to the "soloQ means shit Galio not fp/ban material in comp play Galio utter shit" thing.)
On October 23 2013 02:39 TheYango wrote: Cheep I don't agree with that. The fact that a strong player can make anything successful in a pub context does not invalidate discussion about what is more or less effective for winning pubs.
But that wasn't the discussion. I'm all for discussing TL Certified Pubstomp Strats (tm), but using solo q viability as a way of saying a character is "good" doesn't mean much.
To elaborate, there are two discussion topics:
1. How to win pubs. Perfectly fine. 2. What is viable/competitive/good in pubs. Not fine
Why? The latter is a moot point because the answer is everything.
If you ever want to have a discussion on viability, etc, it must only be in the context of top tier competitive play for the discussion to have any meaning.
What is the actual difference? Name me a champ that stomps pubs but isn't viable in competition?
every hero is viable in pubs because pubs comes down almost entirely to your individual skill versus the other team. if you're good enough, you will win. you dont need a hero who's "inherently good at pubs" or whatever to do so.
but if you want examples khazix rengar come to mind, among others
On October 23 2013 02:55 Requizen wrote: Should Xerath win lane against Fizz or do I play against trash fishes?
you should never be able to kill him and he shouldnt be able to kill you (but its easier for him to punish your fuck up than vice versa), but you're vs a fizz so that counts as losing lane
On October 23 2013 02:39 TheYango wrote: Cheep I don't agree with that. The fact that a strong player can make anything successful in a pub context does not invalidate discussion about what is more or less effective for winning pubs.
But that wasn't the discussion. I'm all for discussing TL Certified Pubstomp Strats (tm), but using solo q viability as a way of saying a character is "good" doesn't mean much.
To elaborate, there are two discussion topics:
1. How to win pubs. Perfectly fine. 2. What is viable/competitive/good in pubs. Not fine
Why? The latter is a moot point because the answer is everything.
If you ever want to have a discussion on viability, etc, it must only be in the context of top tier competitive play for the discussion to have any meaning.
What is the actual difference? Name me a champ that stomps pubs but isn't viable in competition?
Yi. Tryn. Rengar. Xin. Any jungler that can assasinate. Jungle Twitch. Because at the pro level everyone wards and everyone gets pink wards so ganks are much harder to do. You get more tower dives these days.
Jax(a month ago), Irelia. Anything that is horrible at 1v2 top.
Not Vayne. She gets put in 2v1's every chance people get at the pro level. Not Blue Ezreal. People don't do poke comps in solo queue. The fights just happen and suddenly you're doing half the damage of the enemy ADC. Not Nasus for quite a while. Any champion that wants to afk farm in solo queue will just end up letting their team get wiped in solo queue. He's probably strong enough now to get played in Pro games.
Any champion that likes to split push and duel. Fiora. Because at the pro level people react appropriately to split pushing by forcing fights and sending the right amount of people to stop it. And at the pro level fights don't just happen in the jungle because someone gets caught out that results in a team wipe.
Leblanc. Kassadin. Katarina. AP Sion. Old AP Yi. AP Nunu. Yorick. Snowbally champions that require playing against people that don't know how to play against it.
Nunu, Katarina, Yi. Champions that need coordinated teams that can stun them to counter them.
MF, Amumu. Any champion that can do the press R meta of solo queue.
I randomly decided to play Leblanc the other day and fell in love. I almost always get fed from lane kills and roaming but mid game I fall off pretty hard, how much should I focus on farming after laning phase? I often have games where I just stop farming because I'm roaming so much and end up really poor. I've figured DFG-void staff-dcap is probably the best build for burst but should I consider a zhonyas earlier instead for team fighting?
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
That's kind of what I thought. I just kind of focused on range farming (which he mostly couldn't stop me from doing unless I really got out of position) and stunning dives.
I think that's what I like most about Xerath, he's pretty hard to completely remove from lane unless you steamroll shit on him, I can just sit back and remain relevant through farm and long range support.
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
If you're talking about just Fizz, I believe the correct term is "fish". If you're talking about different types of fish (like Fizz and Nami), then "fishes" is acceptable.
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
Yeah
Basically, if you don't snowball and force the surrender or your team is smart enough to dive and destroy towers and get objectives early enough, you'll lose.
LB is incredibly gimmicky. If she doesn't get fed, she loses. People just like big numbers and love watching health bars disappear instantly.
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
Yeah
Basically, if you don't snowball and force the surrender or your team is smart enough to dive and destroy towers and get objectives early enough, you'll lose.
LB is incredibly gimmicky. If she doesn't get fed, she loses. People just like big numbers and love watching health bars disappear instantly.
The jukes she is capable of is what makes her fun for me
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
Yeah
Basically, if you don't snowball and force the surrender or your team is smart enough to dive and destroy towers and get objectives early enough, you'll lose.
LB is incredibly gimmicky. If she doesn't get fed, she loses. People just like big numbers and love watching health bars disappear instantly.
The jukes she is capable of is what makes her fun for me
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
Yeah
Basically, if you don't snowball and force the surrender or your team is smart enough to dive and destroy towers and get objectives early enough, you'll lose.
LB is incredibly gimmicky. If she doesn't get fed, she loses. People just like big numbers and love watching health bars disappear instantly.
The jukes she is capable of is what makes her fun for me
On October 23 2013 00:26 Lylat wrote: Galio new mid fotm pls :
Who is this guy? Those clutch bulwarks against Lee and red buff were beautiful.
He uses bulwark and is just like "lol stop tickling me. hah. tiny damage. Oh wait I'm healing" He was really accurate when it mattered too with the EQ combos.
A really good LB (and not that guy who gets fed in lane and roflolstomp through sheer numbers afterwards or just falls flat) is super scary, though. It's a bit like playing Talon or Evelynn, you flank and stuff instead of staying with your team. And contrary to Ahri you don't care about blowing your ult on a support because it's on a 20s cd anyway.
Also how the heck does Leblanc have such a low winrate, it's the 3rd lowest in the game.
solo q is really really really hard to close out because people like to dick around off early advantages so early game heroes with a huge drop off dont fare very well outside of those 20 minute surrender games
Yeah
Basically, if you don't snowball and force the surrender or your team is smart enough to dive and destroy towers and get objectives early enough, you'll lose.
LB is incredibly gimmicky. If she doesn't get fed, she loses. People just like big numbers and love watching health bars disappear instantly.
The jukes she is capable of is what makes her fun for me
On October 23 2013 03:11 Alaric wrote: A really good LB (and not that guy who gets fed in lane and roflolstomp through sheer numbers afterwards or just falls flat) is super scary, though. It's a bit like playing Talon or Evelynn, you flank and stuff instead of staying with your team. And contrary to Ahri you don't care about blowing your ult on a support because it's on a 20s cd anyway.
Playing late game leblanc is the sign of a good leblanc. It's hard to grab flanks without getting caught.
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