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On October 01 2013 21:12 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
GP vs Poppy in a matchup GP can only win if he gets ahead early. Sure its hard to lose the lane with oranges, but Poppy is happy to get a lane where she can freefarm, and scales infinitely better than GP into lategame.
Renekton might get semi free harass, but Poppy's E-Q combo is quite nasty too, and she can build early armor to ignore him completely - Again freefarm on a champion that scales incredible into late game.
Poppy is a weak laner, but if the opposition can't punish it, she WILL outscale him.
The whole 'early armor' thing is irrelevant since Poppy will get zoned so badly by renekon early that it'll be a bruta vs two cloths.
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If I ever see someone go full armorpage top lane I push them under tower 24/7 and laugh like a maniac while they miss every cs.
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On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage.
Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing.
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On October 02 2013 00:10 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage. Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing.
wut. Zed should have the easiest time dodging it. Not only can he just, you know, turn around, but he can
a) WW and dodge it
b) Hit R and go untargetable
c) RR and jump to a different side of her
Cass ult is far from instant, it has a large windup and telegraph. Hell, if I can at least dodge the stun portion of it on Ryze, no high-mobility assassin has any right to be hit by it.
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I meant if he ulties first. Wasn't aware it had a windup.
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On October 02 2013 00:10 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage. Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing.
Sure, in theory.
I was saying this last night on my stream (fairly sure I only had one viewer =P) - assassins are annoying because, for many situations, they become a skill matchup. However, since the assassin is completely designed to burst and kill their target, the onus is on the non-assassin player to outskill that. It takes a whole lot of effort and knowledge of timings and execution to actually beat that assassin once they go to unload.
It's possible to win those matchups. However, it will require you to outplay that assassin. And as the skill of the assassin player goes up, the more skill is required from you to outplay them.
On October 02 2013 00:13 Osmoses wrote:
I meant if he ulties first. Wasn't aware it had a windup.
Then...why are you arguing the point. If you haven't played the champ and know all of her intricacies, there is no point arguing that a low mobility, squishy mage can reliably come out on top in the assassin meta...
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Obviously just theorycrafting, but since Zed is very popular and he always appears at the exact same time in front of cass and facing if he ulties it shouldn't be harder than learning the Zhonya end timing.
And I was just arguing for the viability of her stare specifically against assassins, since it was buffed and under discussion :p
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What's with the random minor nerfs to Yorick and Teemo?
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On October 02 2013 00:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:10 Osmoses wrote:On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage. Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing. Sure, in theory. I was saying this last night on my stream (fairly sure I only had one viewer =P) - assassins are annoying because, for many situations, they become a skill matchup. However, since the assassin is completely designed to burst and kill their target, the onus is on the non-assassin player to outskill that. It takes a whole lot of effort and knowledge of timings and execution to actually beat that assassin once they go to unload. It's possible to win those matchups. However, it will require you to outplay that assassin. And as the skill of the assassin player goes up, the more skill is required from you to outplay them.
Ugh, tell me about it. I despise the assassin meta (and assassins in general) because of that very reason - just by existing in the game they almost... I dunno, force a playstyle on you. Every champion (in every lane too if they're roaming, whichthey will) now has to be played with the expectation that an assassin being able to jump and do half your health or more unless you save a contingency plan for them.
I mean, I don't think it's toxic, just annoying. When I'm playing mid and trying to focus on improving my essentials like last hitting, map awareness, mana management, etc, now I have to put those on the backburner so I don't get gibbed.
Also I suck at mids lol
On October 02 2013 00:17 Osmoses wrote:
Obviously just theorycrafting, but since Zed is very popular and he always appears at the exact same time in front of cass and facing if he ulties it shouldn't be harder than learning the Zhonya end timing.
And I was just arguing for the viability of her stare specifically against assassins, since it was buffed and under discussion :p
That might work a couple times, but since R auto-spawns a shadow behind the target, if he knows you're just going to ult his ult he can double tap R and be behind you as soon as he appears, negating all the damage.
But like above, it's entirely skill dependent. Both Zed as an assassin and Cass's ult as a powerful skillshot are something that you have to play around/against, with no clear "winner"
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I hope riot kicks Zed in the nuts so hard in season 4. So sick of seeing him in half the games in league now.
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Anyone tried Olaf extensively? Seems like he can split push really well now and if he gets ganked can potentially 2v1 because of the E changes.
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Why do wards and caster minion autos look so weird now. >_>
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Could someone provide a screenshot?
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Seeing as the Teemo champ thread is wildly out of date and I am in fact the Pope of the Church of Teemo, I think I'll be working on a new OP if there are no objections.
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On October 02 2013 00:33 zer0das wrote:
Why do wards and caster minion autos look so weird now. >_>
It all looks extremely weird. Why do the caster minions cast shit that looks like slowed down lasers? It's like some kind of Star Wars thing I'm watching..
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On October 02 2013 00:37 Requizen wrote:
Seeing as the Teemo champ thread is wildly out of date and I am in fact the Pope of the Church of Teemo, I think I'll be working on a new OP if there are no objections.
Where's your papal hat if you're so Pope-y?
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On October 02 2013 00:39 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:37 Requizen wrote:
Seeing as the Teemo champ thread is wildly out of date and I am in fact the Pope of the Church of Teemo, I think I'll be working on a new OP if there are no objections. Where's your papal hat if you're so Pope-y?
right here
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On October 02 2013 00:37 Requizen wrote:
Seeing as the Teemo champ thread is wildly out of date and I am in fact the Pope of the Church of Teemo, I think I'll be working on a new OP if there are no objections.
I now preach the teachings of the Church of Teemo.
SING IT BABY
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On October 02 2013 00:12 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:10 Osmoses wrote:On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage. Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing. Cass ult is far from instant, it has a large windup and telegraph. Hell, if I can at least dodge the stun portion of it on Ryze, no high-mobility assassin has any right to be hit by it.
I would subscribe to your channel just to watch this.
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On October 02 2013 00:49 Couvre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:12 Requizen wrote:On October 02 2013 00:10 Osmoses wrote:On October 02 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 23:29 Osmoses wrote:
Oh I dunno, how strong is an assassin after a face full of petrifying stare? Cass ult is actually fairly easy to dodge the stun just by turning away when it's just a 1v1 or skirmish situation (this is coming from a former Cass main). The true power comes in the chaos of team fights and more CC from the rest of your team. That's not to say that you can't land the stun, but if your opponent expects it, it's hard to hit. Anyone with above average mobility (see: current meta) should do just fine at avoiding most of Cass's damage. Well, in theory anyway, if the assassin wants to deal damage they will have to jump Cass eventually. That seems a fine moment to unleash the stare, and the threat itself ought to keep most assassins passive. As for Zed, he always appears facing and in front of the target on ulti so hard countering him should only be a matter of learning the timing. Cass ult is far from instant, it has a large windup and telegraph. Hell, if I can at least dodge the stun portion of it on Ryze, no high-mobility assassin has any right to be hit by it. I would subscribe to your channel just to watch this.
I've only done the Ryze v Cass matchup a few times, since I all but stopped playing Ryze due to nerfs and Cass almost never came up before now.
It's still a miserable lane because she'll just bully your ass out with range and early game spam, but the point of my statement is that in a 1v1 situation you can dodge the stun fairly reliably.
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