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On September 11 2013 14:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On a sidenote I remember either hearing someone else say or thinking to myself that there was a particular patch that buffed all of Loci's mains. I think Ryze, Nasus, Morg, Panth or something.
No love for Veigar.
Don't worry Loci I am here to educate the masses.
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So, i don't normally post here, but hey, a LoL thing thats related to me
http://beta.na.leagueoflegends.com/node/5485
I'm kinda butthurt that i'm not in the info graphic, granted they do link to my thread that created bgirl riven. Meh. They also edited my post a little, which is funny to me. Heh.
Idk, I guess at least I appreciate that they marked it as #1 out of the community skins.
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On September 11 2013 16:11 Shaella wrote:So, i don't normally post here, but hey, a LoL thing thats related to me http://beta.na.leagueoflegends.com/node/5485I'm kinda butthurt that i'm not in the info graphic, granted they do link to my thread that created bgirl riven. Meh. They also edited my post a little, which is funny to me. Heh. Idk, I guess at least I appreciate that they marked it as #1 out of the community skins.
Why you dont post here? :<
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On September 11 2013 11:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You can't simply have every single champion being viable. In S3 riot moved more towards hard engage assassin meta so that they could move away from stalemates and what I like to call the baron/CLG.EU meta. It's honestly what brought me back to this game. Moving towards champions like morgana would just make the game more boring than it is now. Essentially very defensive, and very team fight oriented.
If the game ever got to a state where its CLG.Eu turtle type games every time I would uninstall and never touch it again. they already make any game they play agonizing by dragging them out for 3 or 4 days when they don't need to
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Soloq? I just play every single game Fiora solo top no matter what and it's been working fine. Who cares about what supposedly is viable, anyway? Speaking of Fiora, getting pulled in by Blitz is almost as hilarious as if you were Amumu.
If you mean competitive games, well I guess you can just not watch them...
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MC IS A FAKER FAN :D
+ Show Spoiler +idk why i posted this tbh, so pumped for finals
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On September 11 2013 20:49 nanospartan wrote:MC IS A FAKER FAN :D + Show Spoiler +idk why i posted this tbh, so pumped for finals
Yeah, but he also did a Teemo celebration at MLG... Meh, I guess he made up for it with being a Faker fan.
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Edward english got really decent :p
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In this mass assassin meta, I wonder why Fiora is never played.
Just the last game the enemy Caitlyn gets incredibly fed(260 minions at 22min) and I could play the entire early/midgame with absolutely no worries because I knew that she wouldn't be an issue. Come teamfights, I just ghosted in and always attacked her right away and the farm and 4 items at 25min didn't matter at all. I feel like Fiora does the job of removing a single target better than even champions like Zed. Oh and in a 1v1 engage with equal amounts of farm Fiora completely obliterates Zed. She has slight issues with tanky champions but tends to win 1v1s against them anyway due to BotRK and insane attack speed steroids. The only situation in which she feels bad is when the enemy team is full of tanky champions with something like Urgot as the ADC and your entire team is squishy and purely AD, but that's not her fault.
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If you can ghost in on their adc the opposing team sucks, that's no thanks to your Fiora.
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On September 11 2013 22:25 Shikyo wrote:
In this mass assassin meta, I wonder why Fiora is never played.
Just the last game the enemy Caitlyn gets incredibly fed(260 minions at 22min) and I could play the entire early/midgame with absolutely no worries because I knew that she wouldn't be an issue. Come teamfights, I just ghosted in and always attacked her right away and the farm and 4 items at 25min didn't matter at all. I feel like Fiora does the job of removing a single target better than even champions like Zed. Oh and in a 1v1 engage with equal amounts of farm Fiora completely obliterates Zed. She has slight issues with tanky champions but tends to win 1v1s against them anyway due to BotRK and insane attack speed steroids. The only situation in which she feels bad is when the enemy team is full of tanky champions with something like Urgot as the ADC and your entire team is squishy and purely AD, but that's not her fault.
Don't you have issues of getting blown up immediately before or straight after ulting? That's usually my strategy, just throw a malph/sej/leo ult on her and she's done.
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On September 11 2013 22:44 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 22:25 Shikyo wrote:
In this mass assassin meta, I wonder why Fiora is never played.
Just the last game the enemy Caitlyn gets incredibly fed(260 minions at 22min) and I could play the entire early/midgame with absolutely no worries because I knew that she wouldn't be an issue. Come teamfights, I just ghosted in and always attacked her right away and the farm and 4 items at 25min didn't matter at all. I feel like Fiora does the job of removing a single target better than even champions like Zed. Oh and in a 1v1 engage with equal amounts of farm Fiora completely obliterates Zed. She has slight issues with tanky champions but tends to win 1v1s against them anyway due to BotRK and insane attack speed steroids. The only situation in which she feels bad is when the enemy team is full of tanky champions with something like Urgot as the ADC and your entire team is squishy and purely AD, but that's not her fault. Don't you have issues of getting blown up immediately before or straight after ulting? That's usually my strategy, just throw a malph/sej/leo ult on her and she's done.
Well, I think you try to do it much like any other assassin would (aside from ones like Kha and Zed who have tons of evasion). You move in once your team has engaged and a lot of the big CC/burst has already gone off.
I love Fiora and wish she worked. She's just so heavily outclassed in the assassin department, and she's pretty easy to gank afaik.
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On September 11 2013 22:25 Shikyo wrote:
In this mass assassin meta, I wonder why Fiora is never played.
Just the last game the enemy Caitlyn gets incredibly fed(260 minions at 22min) and I could play the entire early/midgame with absolutely no worries because I knew that she wouldn't be an issue. Come teamfights, I just ghosted in and always attacked her right away and the farm and 4 items at 25min didn't matter at all. I feel like Fiora does the job of removing a single target better than even champions like Zed. Oh and in a 1v1 engage with equal amounts of farm Fiora completely obliterates Zed. She has slight issues with tanky champions but tends to win 1v1s against them anyway due to BotRK and insane attack speed steroids. The only situation in which she feels bad is when the enemy team is full of tanky champions with something like Urgot as the ADC and your entire team is squishy and purely AD, but that's not her fault.
she's reliant on a skill that has many ways to go wrong
ult targeting is rng dependent with 3+ targets (this is the big problem - having no idea who you'll do damage to is pretty bad) and there were lots of ways until the latest patch to fizzle ult, including at least one encountered nearly every game (zhonya's)
ult targeting buff helps her viability a lot, but it's still random
fiora is a decent laner, and she is exceptionally strong at taking grouped objectives at level 11 and shortly thereafter. however, she falls off hard as bruisers and tanks get enough gear and levels to comfortably survive her ult and protect their squishies. she takes towers very quickly but struggles to splitpush against many tanky tops and has no way of stopping globals. fiora's q and other dashes/blinks that require a target (kat and akali come to mind) aren't nearly as good an engage as targetless movement skills such as living shadow or spirit rush unless used by tanky champions such as irelia because of the need to either wait for an opening or run the gauntlet of the enemy front line, while targetless dash users have much more freedom to engage
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On September 11 2013 13:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
You know what Suf, I'm sure that escaped him altogether. He would never think of such a complex thought.
I actually LIKE the power creep of the game, maybe I'm alone in liking it however. I like highly mobile champs, or champs with insane lockdown or damage, I HATED s2 personally, especially with junglers donating almost all of their jungle so Anivia could eventually one shot the other team's adc. It was so stagnant and slow I wanted to gouge my eyes out. With OP champs and 1v2 lanes speeding the game up it rarely feels stale. I had a game that the laning phase lasted 20 minutes and it felt like it would never end (nobody took any towers at all), and it reminded me of s2 play.
I agree with you to some extent, the thing is these high mobility champs have no drawback for the mobility they get. TF is a good example of well done, he can't really win trades in lane but his mobility is amazing. Zed on the other hand has a blink on low cooldown and can 100 to 0 squishies easily with an invulnerability, insane waveclear and only energy to limit him. I don't want to go back to triple gp5 mid meta though, I do agree with you on that front.
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The problem with fiora is that outside of damage, she brings literally nothing else to the table. She is REQUIRED to spend all of her gold on damage, and on top of that, 8k deep into a build, she STILL does less damage than zac or elise who built pure tank. She's just not very good. i guess that's more zac/elise being OP. anyone who can build tanky items and do more damage than fiora is bullshit in terms of design.
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On September 11 2013 12:26 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 08:26 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 11 2013 08:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 11 2013 08:19 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 11 2013 08:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Easyhoon...? The only thing I remember about him is getting dumpstered by faker. Who doesn't get dumpstered by Faker? lol Edit: Although maybe I'm thinking more about OGN Spring, MVP Blue was pretty underwhelming in OGN Summer. Well when I mean dumpstered I mean dumpstered dumpstered. This was the infamous Leblanc game. I mean that game just wasn't fair, Faker must have made sacrifices to the Hit Box Gods haha. Can't think of any specifics, but I remember him having better games than that lol. Funnily enough it feels like there actually are Hit Box gods. I shoot ashe arrow that would have been a nice pick on their Sona, goes right through her. Apparantly that sacrifice appeased the gods. Shot an ashe arrow that would win the game if it lands, completely misses, yet it still counts as a hit, and we win the game. They are merciful gods.
To explain what's happening: All hitboxes are calculated at the ground level, but most particles are flying some distance above the ground. Because of the camera angle, the skillshot particle is traveling a bit higher up the screen than the actual skillshot itself. In general skillshots traveling above the target will hit more often than you think they should, and skillshots traveling below the target will hit less often than you think they should.
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On September 11 2013 22:57 ItsFunToLose wrote:
The problem with fiora is that outside of damage, she brings literally nothing else to the table. She is REQUIRED to spend all of her gold on damage, and on top of that, 8k deep into a build, she STILL does less damage than zac or elise who built pure tank. She's just not very good. i guess that's more zac/elise being OP. anyone who can build tanky items and do more damage than fiora is bullshit in terms of design.
It's the stupid percentage damage. Zac with some CDR can deal 8% of his target's max health every 2-3 seconds, while using his Q to slow enemies so he can stick on them. Oh yeah, and it's also a small AoE.
Who at Riot thought that was a good idea?
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On September 11 2013 22:44 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 22:25 Shikyo wrote:
In this mass assassin meta, I wonder why Fiora is never played.
Just the last game the enemy Caitlyn gets incredibly fed(260 minions at 22min) and I could play the entire early/midgame with absolutely no worries because I knew that she wouldn't be an issue. Come teamfights, I just ghosted in and always attacked her right away and the farm and 4 items at 25min didn't matter at all. I feel like Fiora does the job of removing a single target better than even champions like Zed. Oh and in a 1v1 engage with equal amounts of farm Fiora completely obliterates Zed. She has slight issues with tanky champions but tends to win 1v1s against them anyway due to BotRK and insane attack speed steroids. The only situation in which she feels bad is when the enemy team is full of tanky champions with something like Urgot as the ADC and your entire team is squishy and purely AD, but that's not her fault. Don't you have issues of getting blown up immediately before or straight after ulting? That's usually my strategy, just throw a malph/sej/leo ult on her and she's done.
You wait for them to engage on your overextending noob teammate and then explode their whole team with a tiamat ult
But you have a general strategy vs Fiora? I haven't seen her in the enemy team in around 300 games
On September 11 2013 22:57 ItsFunToLose wrote:
The problem with fiora is that outside of damage, she brings literally nothing else to the table. She is REQUIRED to spend all of her gold on damage, and on top of that, 8k deep into a build, she STILL does less damage than zac or elise who built pure tank. She's just not very good. i guess that's more zac/elise being OP. anyone who can build tanky items and do more damage than fiora is bullshit in terms of design.
That's absolutely incorrect, she outdamages them by a gigantic margin.
For example in one game I was in the brush and Tristana walked in, I auto QEQ autod her before she jump-ulted me away and she lost around 80% of her hp
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Why would you pick Fiora when Zed, Fizz, Ahri, and quite a few others assassinate much better/quicker/more reliably.
Fiora's biggest weakness has always been her team fight. The only thing that Fiora adds to a fight is damage and Zed does it better with fewer risks. Fizz/Ahri can add strong CC while being more mobile/harder to lock down. Even Akali can more reliably kill someone while staying safe. Diana adds CC, is tankier, and can probably kill enemy squishies easier. Though to be fair Fiora and Diana might actually be kind of even on how reliably they can kill someone but even in that scenario Diana will etch out ahead because she can bring CC to a team.
Lots of people want a Heimerdinger rework or Olaf buffs or whatever. But if Riot ever wants Fiora to be playable in competitive play she's going to need a rework too imo. Maybe S4 will bring about "new items that make melee carries viable!"
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Worst thing with Fiora is her total inability to support ganks. If you lane as Fiora, you'll get camped and will never get a gank, and that's normal, because you picked a «LOL OMG DAMAGE» hero that will fall off hard if not fed but can't get fed...
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