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On September 11 2013 11:22 cLutZ wrote:
I cannot believe people are still seriously considering expanding on the machete/SS model given what has happened in S3. Brief history:
Phase 1: People Sit on Machete/SS/Madreds and never upgrade it because the upgrades are terrible.
Phase 2: SS upgrades buffed, now laners from Ezreal and Jayce, to Anivia and Vladimir, buy SS items because they are actually good items.
Phase 3: Junglers Now are the primary purchasers of SS items, but only because Machete/SS are mandatory to prevent ridiculously slow clearing speeds and upgrading SS is cost effective. Laners would buy SotaG if Spirit Visage wasn't ridiculous right now.
What are people recommending?
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On September 11 2013 11:22 cLutZ wrote:
I cannot believe people are still seriously considering expanding on the machete/SS model given what has happened in S3. Brief history:
Phase 1: People Sit on Machete/SS/Madreds and never upgrade it because the upgrades are terrible.
Phase 2: SS upgrades buffed, now laners from Ezreal and Jayce, to Anivia and Vladimir, buy SS items because they are actually good items.
Phase 3: Junglers Now are the primary purchasers of SS items, but only because Machete/SS are mandatory to prevent ridiculously slow clearing speeds and upgrading SS is cost effective. Laners would buy SotaG if Spirit Visage wasn't ridiculous right now.
I think the overall increase in effectiveness of items has improved the game from season 2. There are gaps that need filling in terms of cost effectiveness, mostly on the low end. But I Think Season 3 was an improvement on overall itemization for the game.
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This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
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On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
I often think this then see Ryze and shit in Challenger.
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You can't simply have every single champion being viable. In S3 riot moved more towards hard engage assassin meta so that they could move away from stalemates and what I like to call the baron/CLG.EU meta. It's honestly what brought me back to this game. Moving towards champions like morgana would just make the game more boring than it is now. Essentially very defensive, and very team fight oriented.
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On September 11 2013 11:26 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:22 cLutZ wrote:
I cannot believe people are still seriously considering expanding on the machete/SS model given what has happened in S3. Brief history:
Phase 1: People Sit on Machete/SS/Madreds and never upgrade it because the upgrades are terrible.
Phase 2: SS upgrades buffed, now laners from Ezreal and Jayce, to Anivia and Vladimir, buy SS items because they are actually good items.
Phase 3: Junglers Now are the primary purchasers of SS items, but only because Machete/SS are mandatory to prevent ridiculously slow clearing speeds and upgrading SS is cost effective. Laners would buy SotaG if Spirit Visage wasn't ridiculous right now. What are people recommending?
Things like making jungling harder without special items, adding gold bonuses for jungle only items, etc. Machete to be removed, and the SS items should be reworked into...items. They are all decent items in theory (that fill niches that needed to be filled) that are just being held back because of the stupid "jungler item" idea.
Heck, a better idea to funnel farm to junglers is just to stop making the non-buff camps spawn later, and instead make the buff camps spawn later so junglers actually have to jungle.
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On September 11 2013 11:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You can't simply have every single champion being viable. In S3 riot moved more towards hard engage assassin meta so that they could move away from stalemates and what I like to call the baron/CLG.EU meta. It's honestly what brought me back to this game. Moving towards champions like morgana would just make the game more boring than it is now. Essentially very defensive, and very team fight oriented.
I agree that it's impossible to balance every champ, and I do actually agree that the balancing now is better than it used to be (games are definitely more exciting to watch, which is incredibly important for Riot's future). I think mainly I'm just sad because I feel like a lot of the new champs simply outclass a lot of the older ones (and by old I mean old... like veigar/alistar old...)
In terms of competitive play there are a lot of viable champs. Solo queue is really a different story though.
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On September 11 2013 07:47 Ketara wrote:As hilarious as that is Monte (very hilarious), you should probably give real suggestions 
I'm going to, but at the time I had 5 minutes before my fiance was coming to pick me up for cake tasting and didn't have time for a thoughtful response.
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botrk + trinity force on vayne has to be most retarded thing ever
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On September 11 2013 11:26 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:22 cLutZ wrote:
I cannot believe people are still seriously considering expanding on the machete/SS model given what has happened in S3. Brief history:
Phase 1: People Sit on Machete/SS/Madreds and never upgrade it because the upgrades are terrible.
Phase 2: SS upgrades buffed, now laners from Ezreal and Jayce, to Anivia and Vladimir, buy SS items because they are actually good items.
Phase 3: Junglers Now are the primary purchasers of SS items, but only because Machete/SS are mandatory to prevent ridiculously slow clearing speeds and upgrading SS is cost effective. Laners would buy SotaG if Spirit Visage wasn't ridiculous right now. What are people recommending?
I don't know, it took them a while but I think they eventually got the machete items right. I don't think they are the solution to the support problem (1000-2000 gold items with mostly key stats and good actives are, as we have discussed so many times on this forum), but the jungle right now is as good as it has been in a long time. There are a ton of viable junglers and plenty of room for innovation with off-center picks.
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On September 11 2013 08:26 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 08:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 11 2013 08:19 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 11 2013 08:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Easyhoon...? The only thing I remember about him is getting dumpstered by faker. Who doesn't get dumpstered by Faker? lol Edit: Although maybe I'm thinking more about OGN Spring, MVP Blue was pretty underwhelming in OGN Summer. Well when I mean dumpstered I mean dumpstered dumpstered. This was the infamous Leblanc game. I mean that game just wasn't fair, Faker must have made sacrifices to the Hit Box Gods haha. Can't think of any specifics, but I remember him having better games than that lol.
Funnily enough it feels like there actually are Hit Box gods. I shoot ashe arrow that would have been a nice pick on their Sona, goes right through her. Apparantly that sacrifice appeased the gods. Shot an ashe arrow that would win the game if it lands, completely misses, yet it still counts as a hit, and we win the game. They are merciful gods.
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On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
been reading the dev tracker lately and they said one of the big issues they see with mobility in the current game isn't that it exists to such a high degree, but that highly mobile champs need really severe drawbacks to compensate and those currently aren't really there.
so i guess they share your thinking.
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On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
I feel like you aren't putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing FOTM, unless you are really at the highest level of play. Which im guessing you aren't? No disrespect intended, you could be on a LCS team for all I know.
As long as you are playing to the strenghts of your champ I don't feel like you are at a disadvantage.
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On September 11 2013 12:40 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
I feel like you aren't putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing FOTM, unless you are really at the highest level of play. Which im guessing you aren't? No disrespect intended, you could be on a LCS team for all I know. As long as you are playing to the strenghts of your champ I don't feel like you are at a disadvantage.
Loci is one of the highest level players on this forum FYI.
FoTM champs are FotM for a good reason. Basically never a bad pick, often picked, no poor matchups, snowball hard, etc.
I love playing anivia. But she straight up sucks in the current meta. Poor defense against junglers like J4, zac, elise with long gap closers, has weak early game, is bad against assassins and so on. I do well on her, but the effort I put into learning the champion is disproportionately high in comparison to the reward, when compared to something like Ahri or Zed.
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On September 11 2013 12:40 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
I feel like you aren't putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing FOTM, unless you are really at the highest level of play. Which im guessing you aren't? No disrespect intended, you could be on a LCS team for all I know. As long as you are playing to the strenghts of your champ I don't feel like you are at a disadvantage.
Loci has the Memorial for general awesomeness named after him for a reason. :D He at the highest level of play.
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On September 11 2013 12:40 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:31 LoCicero wrote:
This game really frustrates me at times. I feel like you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing the current FOTM champs for solo queue. An "OP" Solo queue champ pretty much means you have to play someone who just has no real counter... like ahri. At 6 she's unkillable because you can just be completely out of position and press R. Or zac. Or elise (press Rappelle and then press on any enemy minion or monster to blink while also being invincible! Oh also the range is absurd). Just all these ridiculous moves with no "counterplay". "Counterplay should not be "kill them before they can use that move that makes them invincible and jump over a wall"
I want to play people like Morg... I really want to. But I completely rely on my team's ability to take advantage of me setting up teamfights and kills. If they get kills they can still throw the game because solo queue.
Everyone nowadays is incredibly mobile for free and it REALLY makes me dislike this game. And the only way to beat that is to have people that are just absurd at locking people down AND get high mobility (jarvan... elise... vi... pretty much any jungler that is in the meta right now)
Maybe this should go in the Shikyo thread, I don't know, but the current balance of this game really tears at me.
I feel like you aren't putting yourself at a disadvantage by not playing FOTM, unless you are really at the highest level of play. Which im guessing you aren't? No disrespect intended, you could be on a LCS team for all I know. As long as you are playing to the strenghts of your champ I don't feel like you are at a disadvantage.
That was my first thought reading his post too, then I read his username and felt dumb -.-;;
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Ok well im happy I put that part in saying no disrespect LOL I should probs just stop posting.
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They still haven't fixed the bugs where if you view the details a ranked 5s game, shitty stuff happens. Like not getting to see the post-game stats of your next game. And having random people on your recently played list. I am mildly frustrated.
Also haha at the "You could be on an LCS team for all I know" seeing as Loci was a sub for Dignitas when they won an IPL..
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? no one here plays in korean ogn so idk who you guys are saying plays at the highest level...
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On September 11 2013 12:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
? no one here plays in korean ogn so idk who you guys are saying plays at the highest level...
i play at the highest level all the time
toke toke
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