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remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:16:29
September 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#1801
The real question is can you use it on Jarvan flag?

This is what happens when I wait 30 minutes before replying and don't refresh. I don't even know where the Shard discussion is. A post out of time.
Stay positive!
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 10 2013 21:16 GMT
#1802
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald
Chauster
SaintVicious
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 10 2013 21:17 GMT
#1803
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald


Everyone says this and literally everyone is wrong lol. Reginald is ridiculously important for TSM to function.

Gamecribs isn't real life folks.
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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:26:30
September 10 2013 21:18 GMT
#1804
On September 11 2013 06:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:04 MattBarry wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:03 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:01 MattBarry wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:00 Fusilero wrote:
I wouldn't mind voyboy mid since it'd suit his love for assassins much better and have nyjacky play tanky top so he can keep his utility.
Basically, make curse an NA version of NiP. Hell they've already finished in the same spot why not go the full mile.

Why put Jacky top when you can put Rhux top? Rhux is pretty good you know and he actually mains the role.

Because curse probably won't bench nyjacky due to blinding levels of friendship or some bs.

As a curse fan, I love Jacky. He's awesome and funny, but if he isn''t performing up to expectations maybe someone needs to light a fire under his ass.


jacky is good crs jut doesn't let him play a lot of champs for some stupid reason even though it's obvious their current strat hasn't gotten them anywhere, so might as well try something new



I don't know if jacky actually plays anything else than what we saw. When he streams it's always the same champions over and over and over. Lux and Ryze (and Kayle) getting out of the meta really hurt his champion pool a lot, and his Karthus and Orianna have been unimpressive as of late. his biggest threat champion right now is his Ahri, since he still is strong mechanically.

But such a mid is not an asset when you try to draft a proper teamcomp.

The last champion he learned was Jayce.

He has to do something or he will become a burden to the team.
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 10 2013 21:18 GMT
#1805
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald
Chauster
SaintVicious

Who could replace Saint though? Also you forgot Zuna
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:36:44
September 10 2013 21:23 GMT
#1806
On September 11 2013 05:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote:
The DotA discussion with regard to support itemization is a little ironic because I'm certain that getting away from very concentrated farm allocation that was endemic to DotA was one of LoL's initial design goals, and now it feels like with each version DotA shifts towards more toward dispersed gold allocation while over the last season, teams are realizing more and more in LoL how the game mechanics support concentrated farm.

I think that Smite does this much better. Even though in it you get half gold if you don't lasthit and actually can buy an item that makes you gain 100% of the amount of gold someone else gains next to you when they lasthit, there's still slight differences in farm(carries will get more). However, the supports(tanks in that game) still are useful the entire game and playing well as one can definitely make your team win even if you get 0 lasthits throughout the game. That game however has a ton of stacking items that stack on lasthits so you still need to know how to do that if you want to buy those(they generally are very cost-efficient).

I think that the whole "passive gold = less skill" mantra is pretty flawed.


Oh and one thing that would help with 100% farm allocation would indeed be cheap-ish items that have good ACTIVE effects but relatively cost-inefficient stats.


The stacking thing got me thinking. What about machete giving a stacks to the onhit damage(like +3 per monster kill), up to a maximum of like 10 stacks. madreds let's it stack up to 25(with 25 flat), and wriggles 50(with base 50).

IMO, wriggles should give mana sustain somehow in addition to the lifesteal for it to truely be viable. Almost every one of the autoattacking junglers have huge benefits from the 7mp5 of golem stone. It doesn't sound like much, but that is enough for noct for example, to use duskbringer on every camp and never go mana negative. Mana sustain would need to be higher than that for when you're just clearing jungle to really be a viable alternative.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 10 2013 21:23 GMT
#1807
ward skins. good way to promote warding ^_^
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#1808
On September 11 2013 06:15 remedium wrote:
The real question is can you use it on Jarvan flag?

This is what happens when I wait 30 minutes before replying and don't refresh. I don't even know where the Shard discussion is. A post out of time.


You can teleport to Jarvan flag, I imagine you can use Shard active on it.

But why would you really want to? Jarvan already brings CC and slows, the extra from the Shard isn't going to be that useful.

It's useful on Tibbers because it makes it easier for Tibbers to stay in range for his damage aura to tick on enemy champions.

I can see how it'd be useful with Zyra plants. That's actually a neat idea.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#1809
Regi and Saint are too important to their teams (in terms of in game play calling), they have their moments and replacing them would be really hard.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
September 10 2013 21:28 GMT
#1810
On September 11 2013 06:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald


Everyone says this and literally everyone is wrong lol. Reginald is ridiculously important for TSM to function.

Gamecribs isn't real life folks.


I still have a hard time believing that whatever other function Regi might have makes up for the fact that he's terrible at playing the game
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:35:30
September 10 2013 21:33 GMT
#1811
On September 11 2013 06:28 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald


Everyone says this and literally everyone is wrong lol. Reginald is ridiculously important for TSM to function.

Gamecribs isn't real life folks.


I still have a hard time believing that whatever other function Regi might have makes up for the fact that he's terrible at playing the game


the fac tthat he pretty much drafts and calls all the plays for the team and that his team cannot possibly function without someone they haven't played with for 3 seasons?

there's a lot to be said for playing with people you're used to when your competition isnt exaclty all bullet proof mechanical monsters. sure in korea someone like regi would get cut in a heartbeat, but as evidenced by LCS, TSM is still the most consistent NA team over the past 3 seasons.
TranslatorBaa!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 10 2013 21:36 GMT
#1812
On September 11 2013 06:23 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 05:48 Shikyo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote:
The DotA discussion with regard to support itemization is a little ironic because I'm certain that getting away from very concentrated farm allocation that was endemic to DotA was one of LoL's initial design goals, and now it feels like with each version DotA shifts towards more toward dispersed gold allocation while over the last season, teams are realizing more and more in LoL how the game mechanics support concentrated farm.

I think that Smite does this much better. Even though in it you get half gold if you don't lasthit and actually can buy an item that makes you gain 100% of the amount of gold someone else gains next to you when they lasthit, there's still slight differences in farm(carries will get more). However, the supports(tanks in that game) still are useful the entire game and playing well as one can definitely make your team win even if you get 0 lasthits throughout the game. That game however has a ton of stacking items that stack on lasthits so you still need to know how to do that if you want to buy those(they generally are very cost-efficient).

I think that the whole "passive gold = less skill" mantra is pretty flawed.


Oh and one thing that would help with 100% farm allocation would indeed be cheap-ish items that have good ACTIVE effects but relatively cost-inefficient stats.


The stacking thing got me thinking. What about machete giving a stacks to the onhit damage(like +3 per monster kill), up to a maximum of like 10 stacks. madreds let's it stack up to 25(with 25 flat), and wriggles 50(with base 50).

IMO, wriggles should give mana sustain somehow in addition to the lifesteal for it to truely be viable. Almost every one of the autoattacking junglers have huge benefits from the 7mp5 of golem stone. It doesn't sound like much, but that is enough for noct for example, to use duskbringer on every camp and never go mana negative. Mana sustain would need to be higher than that for when you're just clearing jungle.


Honestly, the first thing they should do if they want to help junglers is make Machete itself give sustain so you can come out of the jungle at full HP and mana. And, like, that sustain should be free b/c Machete is a bleh item as it is.
Freeeeeeedom
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:37:39
September 10 2013 21:37 GMT
#1813
On September 11 2013 06:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:28 Badboyrune wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald


Everyone says this and literally everyone is wrong lol. Reginald is ridiculously important for TSM to function.

Gamecribs isn't real life folks.


I still have a hard time believing that whatever other function Regi might have makes up for the fact that he's terrible at playing the game


the fac tthat he pretty much drafts and calls all the plays for the team and that his team cannot possibly function without someone they haven't played with for 3 seasons?

there's a lot to be said for playing with people you're used to when your competition isnt exaclty all bullet proof mechanical monsters. sure in korea someone like regi would get cut in a heartbeat, but as evidenced by LCS, TSM is still the most consistent NA team over the past 3 seasons.


People forget when Regi plays well, TSM generally win. He dumped all over mancloud in the semi-finals. Yes, he's a jerk. Yes, he's not as good as he thinks he is, but people who think you can randomly replace him with Jintae and TSM would be the same team are delusional.
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 10 2013 21:37 GMT
#1814
Shyvana #1 Shard target.

Shard still terrible though.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:43:14
September 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#1815
Also Regi isn't TSM's problem, having 0 S-Tier players is.

Edit: Not that I know of any that they could pick up.

Edit#2: At the end of S3Spring it looked like WildTurtle might be able to develop into TSM's Imp, and draw attention away from Dyrus and open up opportunities for Regi's aggression, but in Summer he became very inconsistent.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:44:26
September 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#1816
People reall overestimate how easy it is to replace a captain and drafter. Especially given how sparse that talent/experience is on NA.

It's really the same with Chauster, tbh. He may be completely inept as a support, but at this point, there are no players with his level of experience/understanding of the game that aren't already on relatively successful teams. And playing with a fresh/incompetent captain/drafter is way more damaging to a team than playing with a mechanically deficient support.
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 10 2013 21:43 GMT
#1817
On September 11 2013 06:37 Amethyst21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:28 Badboyrune wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 11 2013 06:16 silencefc wrote:
The LCS players who I think are holding their team back:

Reginald


Everyone says this and literally everyone is wrong lol. Reginald is ridiculously important for TSM to function.

Gamecribs isn't real life folks.


I still have a hard time believing that whatever other function Regi might have makes up for the fact that he's terrible at playing the game


the fac tthat he pretty much drafts and calls all the plays for the team and that his team cannot possibly function without someone they haven't played with for 3 seasons?

there's a lot to be said for playing with people you're used to when your competition isnt exaclty all bullet proof mechanical monsters. sure in korea someone like regi would get cut in a heartbeat, but as evidenced by LCS, TSM is still the most consistent NA team over the past 3 seasons.


People forget when Regi plays well, TSM generally win. He dumped all over mancloud in the semi-finals. Yes, he's a jerk. Yes, he's not as good as he thinks he is, but people who think you can randomly replace him with Jintae and TSM would be the same team are delusional.

I'm a tsm hater and even I have to admit that regi doesn't play that badly and he always steps it up big time when he needs to rise to the occasion. He's just an arrogant prick which makes people, including me, hate him
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:47:19
September 10 2013 21:46 GMT
#1818
I mean, that gets to the external aspects of the game.

In many regards, having "arrogant pricks" like Regi is good for the scene. People always complain about "waaa this team/conutry/player has no personality" then they complain when they have one lol. Also, not saying that Regi is the nicest guy ever, but the arrogant prick aspect is definitely played up for the camera. Like, just look at how they structure Gamecribs - you have to realize that TSM still controls what gets produced and outputted in Gamecribs, you know? The vast majority of Regi's image for the public is a manufactured product.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 21:54:40
September 10 2013 21:48 GMT
#1819
On September 11 2013 06:38 cLutZ wrote:
Also Regi isn't TSM's problem, having 0 S-Tier players is.

Edit: Not that I know of any that they could pick up.

Edit#2: At the end of S3Spring it looked like WildTurtle might be able to develop into TSM's Imp, and draw attention away from Dyrus and open up opportunities for Regi's aggression, but in Summer he became very inconsistent.


Which really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Before TSM Turtle was super inconsistent too. Whether he was mid laning on Legion or playing ADC. He'd have games where he carried like a champ and games where he looked like he didn't belong in the pro scene. Not much has change since then to be honest.

Although, when I think about it, consistency really is the hardest quality to find in any pro. Not even in NA, finding a player who consistently performs very well is not incredibly common. And having them play consistently for an extended period of time is even less common.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 10 2013 21:54 GMT
#1820
On September 11 2013 06:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I mean, that gets to the external aspects of the game.

In many regards, having "arrogant pricks" like Regi is good for the scene. People always complain about "waaa this team/conutry/player has no personality" then they complain when they have one lol. Also, not saying that Regi is the nicest guy ever, but the arrogant prick aspect is definitely played up for the camera. Like, just look at how they structure Gamecribs - you have to realize that TSM still controls what gets produced and outputted in Gamecribs, you know? The vast majority of Regi's image for the public is a manufactured product.


The people who claim they have "no personality" are just too damn lazy to learn the players they're criticizing. Even plenty of Korean players who are claimed to have no personality have plenty, there's just a language barrier in between the accusers the the players. I'd rather more good guys like Voy than raging assholes like Regi. Regi isn't just polarizing, which would be fine, he's just an asshole. You can't defend his actions on the basis that he's a nice guy, because he isn't.

But whatever, there's assholes in all walks of life, why not league players?
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