EPTOn September 11 2013 06:54 Zdrastochye wrote:
But whatever, there's assholes in all divisions of league why not pro?
But whatever, there's assholes in all divisions of league why not pro?
fixed that for you hue
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
fixed that for you hue | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On September 11 2013 06:48 overt wrote: Which really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Before TSM Turtle was super inconsistent too. Whether he was mid laning on Legion or playing ADC. He'd have games where he carried like a champ and games where he looked like he didn't belong in the pro scene. Not much has change since then to be honest. Although, when I think about it, consistency really is the hardest quality to find in any pro. Not even in NA, finding a player who consistently performs very well is not incredibly common. And having them play consistently for an extended period of time is even less common. If you believe in Yango theory that the meta will favor certain players at certain times of the game's lifespan, then your conclusion won't be surprising. Look at Misaya, all of his picks were nerfed to the ground. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On September 11 2013 06:58 kainzero wrote: If you believe in Yango theory that the meta will favor certain players at certain times of the game's lifespan, then your conclusion won't be surprising. Look at Misaya, all of his picks were nerfed to the ground. Why do you think he started playing AP Sion? Now there's nowhere to go but up huehue. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 11 2013 06:58 kainzero wrote: If you believe in Yango theory that the meta will favor certain players at certain times of the game's lifespan. This is true but I also think the truly mechanically gifted players will dominate no matter what. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 11 2013 06:36 cLutZ wrote: Honestly, the first thing they should do if they want to help junglers is make Machete itself give sustain so you can come out of the jungle at full HP and mana. And, like, that sustain should be free b/c Machete is a bleh item as it is. I'd rather they dramatically buff the healing/mana return you receive when killing a large creep. That solves the sustain problem without tying it to an item or champion (which can be very overpowered), and increases the value of counter-jungling/controlling the jungle. If this had been at the start of Season 3 I'd have noted that Riot wanted to avoid making potentially toxic junglers viable (e.g. Eve) by making sustain an issue, but at this point almost any champion can jungle if they get a solid Smiteless leash and rush the second buff, so it's pretty moot unless Riot kills that somehow. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: This is true but I also think the truly mechanically gifted players will dominate no matter what. Doublelift? | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Why do you think he started playing AP Sion? Now there's nowhere to go but up huehue. Except Riot said they are going to destroy AP Sion when they rework him, so.... yeah. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
How about items that take 2 item slots, like a staff? I hear a lot of talk about slot inefficiency, how's that for slot inefficient? Also they could look really cool. Might be some issues with organizing item placement but I'm sure there's a non-terrible solution like having client make an extra slot for you. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
~50 HP Unique: ~5% CDR Wriggle's Ward Active | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
1) With all the North America versus Europe argument that followed ever since the results of the All Stars Championship, I'm really struggling to gauge that strength of these two regions without being influenced by the All Stars Championship (which I know has little correlation of the strength of existing professional teams, yet in my head I use it to judge overlapping players). What makes things even more confusing is how Cloud9 stands amongst other teams, since they probably have had the most dominating performance within their region running up to the World Championship, yet have no prior international experience as a team. It's so easy to think in my head that since a TSM-roster dominated All Stars team faired well versus a Gambit Gaming-roster dominated All Stars team, that a team (Cloud9) that stomped TSM harder than what the corresponding team (Fnatic/Lemondogs) has done to Gambit Gaming, would surely be ranked as the most competitive team in the Western hemisphere. I really hate this logic, but I'm struggling to gauge the strength of Cloud9, the North American and European scene in general by any other means. The last meeting between the two regions was at MLG Dallas if I remember right, but the North American teams that took part in that tournament failed to qualify, which makes All Stars Championship the only Season 3 cross-regional material available for judgement between players. Is there a viable metric to compare these two regions without falling prey to any preconceived notions? 2) How will Mancloud perform versus xPeke, and Alex Ich? Is the consensus that European mid-laners are far superior to their North American counterparts true? I've heard that Mancloud is regarded as one of the best mid-laners in the region, as are xPeke and Alex Ich for theirs. From my limited viewing experience, a lot of the LCS teams, in both regions, tend to be very team-fight oriented, gathering together to duke it out over and over again until one team comes out on top, and I'm not sure whether Team Vulcun is that much disadvantaged should they play that game. 3) WildTurtle versus Tabzz. A similar topic, except that there's been a lot of downplay on the calibre of European AD carries. With both of these players being pretty well respected within their region, I think this match-up would hold a lot of meaning to the argument should one side come out overwhelmingly on top. Both players have decent mechanics, but sometimes lack good judgement in my opinion, and a lot would depend on their conditions that day. 4) Lemondogs, how good are these guys? Should they be considered as a legitimate contender to qualify for the round of eight? Or should OMG be a lock-in after SK Telecom T1? To be honest, despite numerous talks of Lemondogs being the best team in Europe during practice, I've failed to see what was so outstanding about them in any of the games I've watched. Then again, OMG was far from the beastily team I've conjured them in my mind to be. In my head, since Invictus Gaming and Team WE were pretty competitive with top Korean teams throughout their history, and since OMG seemed to be a cut above them in recent months, I imagined them to be one of the scariest teams going in. However, they were underwhelming a lot of the times I saw them. Does Lemondogs pose a significant threat to them? How will Nukeduck and Cool compare? Will Gogoing wreck faces, or will Zorozero stand up to him? I really have no idea. A part of me says that OMG should surely come out on top, whereas a part of me thinks that neither of these teams seem that untouchable, unlike what the reports from their regions say. 5) Which top laner would you say is the most impressive from an individual level, if we were to look at the group stage only? Impact? Gogoing? Is Homme really that lackluster, or is it only when he is forced to lane versus monsters such as Shy? The top lane seems to lack some punch compared to last year, when some of the most impressive individual performances were in the top lane. Will there be any surprises like last year? 6) Uzi. Imp. PraY. Piglet. I'm dying to see these four square off against one another, and it's such a shame that none of them will get to play each other during the group stages. Despite my tendencies holding a higher threshhold for non-Korean players in order to be impressed, I've been a fan of Uzi ever since his performances in SWL S2 against the likes of Devil, Imp, and PraY. It looked like he was a cut above any of them. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a game (admittidly, I haven't watched a whole lot), where he looked subpar compared to the enemy AD carry. Will Uzi prove his worth this year? Or will the Korean AD carries (in my opinion the strongest position from the three representing teams on average) take the tournament by storm? 7) How far will Fnatic go? I'm banking on Fnatic to be the darkhorse of the tournament. Aside from the Korean, and the Chinese teams, who automatically gets credit due to the strength of their region in my mind, I feel like Fnatic could have a pretty good run should they be on form and have some luck on their side. MVP Ozone is the weaker of the two Korean teams in the group stage, and there's no Chinese teams, Gambit Gaming looks a little off lately, Mineski weren't even the first placed team in their country, and Team Vulcun choked during the play-off stages in my opinon. Factor in the random draw for the round of eight brackets, they have a decent chance of dodging all the Korean, and Chinese teams apart from MVP Ozone until the semi-finals. It doesn't mean that they are a top four team in the world, but they are a team well capable of that finish in my opinion. Should Cloud9 get a bad draw and get SK Telecom T1 (the favourites in my opinion), they might go home without a win despite being arguably just as strong, if not stronger. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: This is true but I also think the truly mechanically gifted players will dominate no matter what. I agree that there can be players that will be strong regardless, but I also think it has very little to do with mechanics. The difference between playing TF well and playing Orianna well has very little to do with mechanical proficiency on the heroes. I think Misaya is perfectly fine at playing Orianna mechanically, it's just that his mindset as an AP player simply does not lead to him doing the right thing at the right time. On some level every player has certain ways they like to play the game, and they will develop an understanding of how to play heroes that fit that playstyle on a subconscious level. "What should I be doing" is something that, at that point, ties into their instinctual understanding of how they are comfortable playing the game. Obviously a player can learn on a conscious level the nuances of playing a champ outside their playstyle, but no matter what, this will simply never be as natural as their comfort champs. EDIT: The best analogy I can give for this is learning a new language. Obviously with enough time and practice, anyone can learn a new language, and become fluent in conversing in that new language. But ultimately everyone thinks in their own head in their native language. That's naturally ingrained into you based on when you first learned to speak/read/write, and learning other languages still does not override that voice in your head that speaks in your native language. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
client crashed in champion select and now I'm downloading a 55mb patch? | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:20 silencefc wrote: Doran's Belt: ~220g ~50 HP Unique: ~5% CDR Wriggle's Ward Active No! Fuck the wriggle's ward with a tuba. Might as well just stand where you want vision instead of walking there to re-place the ward every time it expires. I hate wriggles and everyone who makes one. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:29 Haiq343 wrote: No! Fuck the wriggle's ward with a tuba. Might as well just stand where you want vision instead of walking there to re-place the ward every time it expires. I hate wriggles and everyone who makes one. But... but it's for the support... | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:11 Seuss wrote: I'd rather they dramatically buff the healing/mana return you receive when killing a large creep. That solves the sustain problem without tying it to an item or champion (which can be very overpowered), and increases the value of counter-jungling/controlling the jungle. If this had been at the start of Season 3 I'd have noted that Riot wanted to avoid making potentially toxic junglers viable (e.g. Eve) by making sustain an issue, but at this point almost any champion can jungle if they get a solid Smiteless leash and rush the second buff, so it's pretty moot unless Riot kills that somehow. Honestly, I think the spirit stones are in a good place right now. They give enough sustain to clear jungle and gank, but you slowly drop in health and mana over time on a lot of junglers. The only place wriggles has is if through some method, it gave significantly more resource sustain, and possibly changed some of the stats(armor to health or something like that) | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
You wanna make the support suffer too? | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote: The DotA discussion with regard to support itemization is a little ironic because I'm certain that getting away from very concentrated farm allocation that was endemic to DotA was one of LoL's initial design goals, and now it feels like with each version DotA shifts towards more toward dispersed gold allocation while over the last season, teams are realizing more and more in LoL how the game mechanics support concentrated farm. Its not really gold that get dispersed but more experience, you see more and more high level supports early on than 18months ago when it was common to see a support tide lvl 5 at 15min | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On September 11 2013 07:40 Nos- wrote: I'm pretty sure I can get that on jax/lee sin or something and just be ungankable early I see 0 problems with that. | ||
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