EPTAlso I thought the Soraka discussion by Riot was pretty interesting, both for why they made her trash and why they are reluctant to enact significant changes to rectify that.
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
Also I thought the Soraka discussion by Riot was pretty interesting, both for why they made her trash and why they are reluctant to enact significant changes to rectify that. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the solution though is a shift in player behavior so people don't think warding is exclusively the job of supports | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
1. OGN 2. YouTube Highlights 3. Experienced Player Advice Forums provide a little bit of #3, but to me is more for shits and giggles. The best advice I've gotten were from Teamspeak and PMs. Application is a matter of focused practice. + Show Spoiler + Watching LCS is purely for entertainment :< | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:34 FinestHour wrote: play better by reading what better players say and apply it but i dropped from g2 to g3 so im sad right now Reading doesn't make you a better player. If it did I'd be #1 Korean Challenger. It's like 90% play/application and 10% knowledge imo. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: lowering the slot efficiency of support/jungle items (though doing so dramatically may overly incentivize their purchases, as we all remember from the double GP10 openings in S1, or the more recent SotEL builds that popped up on certain laners). That's where you don't give them interesting stats (you will only rarely see an AP carry build items that don't grant AP whatsoever, rare exceptions being Chalice (builds into Grail anyway), QSS (highly-situational) and GA (situational though assassins like Diana tend to like it more; AD carries only build one defensive item and usually do it extra late too), and where the marvel of active effects come into play. "Hey, a super cheap HP/MR item, I like!", 'cept if the item only gives you half as much stats as you paid for, doesn't build into anything, and has an active effect or aura that is aimed at the whole team rather than its carrier. Even offlaners won't build that. Supporting junglers may, and supports will prob, but it's just not interesting for the rest. As for the jungle camps, that's what I'm thinking after looking at the golems' situation during laning too: don't make these camps too hard to kill for the laners to take them. Just put the camps with gold value further away from the lanes so that laners will most likely miss minions if they want to take them (that's already partly what they did when making wolves worth more at the expense of wraiths dropping to the least gold-efficient camp). Now if they could also add other camps, really far from the lanes (or close to the base) so laners really won't want to take them (unless it's like a 1v2 laner being zoned out) but significantly better gold/exp-wise than the others, maybe this could entice farming junglers to stay in the jungle and take them, at the cost of map presence, while ganking junglers would forego them to be able to gank/countergank faster (no detours while farming)? Would also give more points of contention, and once you control the enemy jungle or know the enemy jungler wants to afk farm, you can setup ambushes at them if they're worth enough (as is you don't get much by ambushing people at their golems for example, but you can easily time the buffs). | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
What if Riot adds in the dedicated ward item slot and when you buy a sight stone it now fills that slot and you can no longer buy individual wards? | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading doesn't make you a better player. If it did I'd be #1 Korean Challenger. It's like 90% play/application and 10% knowledge imo. well no you are right reading alone doesnt thats why i also said you have to apply it, successfully | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:40 oneofthem wrote: give supports some sort of gold income per tower remaining, an empire tax or something. the solution though is a shift in player behavior so people don't think warding is exclusively the job of supports Would be greatly hesitant about the first change, as it would greatly encourage snowballing (and encourage taking turrets more, though this may not necessarily be a bad thing), as there isn't really a way for the game to automatically differentiate supports and non-supports, and so gold would need to be given to the entire team. I'd also think that there are still mechanical possibilities to changing the nature of warding beyond relying on player behavior shifts. On September 11 2013 04:43 kainzero wrote: The most I've ever learned from reading and posting on forums is maxing Aqua Prison on Nami. And I've learned that max E is actually pretty decent.  | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On September 11 2013 01:53 kainzero wrote: I am tired of logic and who "should" win. Where are the fanboys?! Tired of being talked down to like they're idiots, despite being aware that they are fanboy/girling. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:33 Ketara wrote: You can learn things like, what are good champions to pick against what champions. What items are strong, what items are not strong, what runes and masteries are strong and what aren't, etc. Additionally by posting my bad ideas people can correct me with the right ones | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:46 ComaDose wrote: Additionally by posting my bad ideas people can correct me with the right ones ^ But most of the time I just get told that I'm a retard. Beware, there's a PX in the making. :< | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 11 2013 04:46 ComaDose wrote: Additionally by posting my bad ideas people can correct me with the right ones I feel like this is the main value I've always gotten out of talking to others about league, learning what I think wrong has been so helpful for my improvement. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
So in the case you get ulted and have teammates nearby and are about to die to the final hit / if she gets to chase you and auto afterwards, flash into a brush without vision and then zhonyas | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
Give us cost efficient, slot inefficient items with HP and CDR. Ohmwrecker - Kindlegem + Kage's Pick Eleisa's Miracle - Kindlegem Mikael's Crucible - Kindlegem + Mana Manipulator Reduce the combined cost on everything that builds out of Kage's. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
When I'm playing DotA, if I can get a cool item like Arcane Boots or Mek or Force Staff, I feel like a boss. And it could potentially open up timings too, especially Mek or Blink. When's the last time you played LoL and you said, "HEY GUYS I GOT SHARD OF TRUE ICE, LET'S GO FIGHT NOW!" I don't care if I don't have money because I can only spend it on shitty items with marginal impact. | ||
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