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On September 10 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 14:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Because support morg is pretty useless. If you don't land your shit you lose the lane. Absolutely no harass potential whatsoever and would get ran over by zyra/sona. Don't even get me started about morg's midgame. I don't see how a 16 second cd shield counters ashe. Because it blocks cc? How do you not see how that would be useful against Ashe. And requiring skillshots is not a drawback, nami requires you land bubble and Morg requires you land binding. Her ult is actually really good in a 2v2 fight bot (especially when their supports cc doesn't work and yours does). Although her harass is pretty poor if you don't get any points in W (you shouldn't) Her mid game is great, she has what every support requires- cc people.
HUGE fucking difference between landing morg's binding and nami's bubble. Creeps don't block bubble and binding is not a stun. Morg's ult is useful if you can manage to get in range (typically if you do land your binding) and if they don't have flash or an escape. If a support morg tries to get a good team fight ulti off she will get blown up. Compare that to nami's tsunami which is guaranteed to hit and doesn't cause you to be in a terrible position.
In lane morg's binding is also not particularly strong. As a support she will not have any real follow up damage without a really strong adc who can carry the lane 1v2. But even cait will have weaknesses if the opponent tries to all in and you miss a binding.
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On September 10 2013 14:58 zodde wrote:
What about Morgana mid vs ashe comps? Doesn't help vs arrows in botlane, but will negate arrow engages in mid-late game
They really should buff Morgana's base attack range to at least 500. 425 is such a weird range and 500 aa range would be a pretty big buff to her laning
Yeah trying to get a good ult off on all of them in a team fight is suicide as support but it's still good for peeling
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On September 10 2013 14:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sweet jesus, I can't get over the fact that Olaf now has scaling True Damage on his E instead of just the base.
Pretty sure it's a straight nerf lategame without taking into account the cd on hit. You need 150 bonus AD to break even with old E. Early on it's about the same.
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Nami also has set-up ability for Bubble, Morg basically has to hit Bindings blind every time.
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On September 10 2013 15:06 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 14:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sweet jesus, I can't get over the fact that Olaf now has scaling True Damage on his E instead of just the base.
Pretty sure it's a straight nerf lategame without taking into account the cd on hit. You need 150 bonus AD to break even with old E. Early on it's about the same.
Ulti gives 80 bonus AD, so only +70AD from items to break even.
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At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it.
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On September 10 2013 15:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 15:06 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 10 2013 14:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sweet jesus, I can't get over the fact that Olaf now has scaling True Damage on his E instead of just the base.
Pretty sure it's a straight nerf lategame without taking into account the cd on hit. You need 150 bonus AD to break even with old E. Early on it's about the same. Ulti gives 80 bonus AD, so only +70AD from items to break even.
But you max out E before you reach lvl 16 for that 80 ad. And when you dont have ult, it's a straight up nerf unless you somehow manage to get 150 bonus AD on olaf.
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On September 10 2013 15:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 15:06 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 10 2013 14:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sweet jesus, I can't get over the fact that Olaf now has scaling True Damage on his E instead of just the base.
Pretty sure it's a straight nerf lategame without taking into account the cd on hit. You need 150 bonus AD to break even with old E. Early on it's about the same. Ulti gives 80 bonus AD, so only +70AD from items to break even.
But e is a trading tool as well.
Olaf's rework is very bleh. Auto attacking as Olaf is unreliable and the rework is auto centric.
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On September 10 2013 15:13 BrownBear wrote:
At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it.
Have you ever watched Koreans play
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I honestly don't think the auto-attack scaling portion will really go anywhere tbh.
The big thing about the rework is the CD mechanic on his E which makes CDR/ASpd synergistic the same way they are for someone like Skarner, meaning you'll get efficient damage out of simply buying CDR defensive items and abusing the fact that his W AS steroid fuels his E CD reduction very comfortably.
Unless Triforce gets a nerf before this rework hits live, Triforce would honestly probably be the strongest single offensive item, paired with CDR-defensive items like the ubiquitous Spirit Visage.
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On September 10 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
And requiring skillshots is not a drawback, nami requires you land bubble and Morg requires you land binding.
lol, what. beyond the obvious falseness of that first statement, the fact nami Q requires you to land a skillshot IS a drawback. That's why it's a 1.5 second aoe stun, because if it had stats like a normal skill it'd be terrible since you sometimes miss it.
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On September 10 2013 15:13 BrownBear wrote:
At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it.
You're on the wrong forum than, everyone including me has korean dick in their mouth around here. And can you honestly say they don't deserve the lol community's full-throated approbation?
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On September 10 2013 15:17 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 15:13 BrownBear wrote:
At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it. Have you ever watched Koreans play
That does not preclude wanting an NA team to beat them to break the talk of Korean dominance, no?
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On September 10 2013 15:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 15:17 MattBarry wrote:On September 10 2013 15:13 BrownBear wrote:
At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it. Have you ever watched Koreans play That does not preclude wanting an NA team to beat them to break the talk of Korean dominance, no?
Because if he watched Koreans play he'd understand why no one thinks NA has a shot in hell of beating a Korean team, well one of the big 6 Korean teams. I actually think top NA teams could compete with CTU/Xenics.
A more interesting comparison is if Chinese teams can upset Koreans. I do think Korea is stronger but Royal does some crazy shit and they're mechnically on par with Koreans
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Hey, my team said something today. The enemy team was doing Baron and there were 4 of us ready to stop them but the 5th was lagging behind. So I wanted to engage, but my team said that the Baron debuff for +25-250% damage only applied to damage dealt by baron. That this was a change Riot made. Is this true that the damage is only amplified from Baron? Because I totally feel like 3.5x free damage means we can 4v5 members in the pit while wrath of the ancients is running.
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Really, an NA team taking a series off a Korean team will actually accomplish nothing.
Normally, it's actually quite hard to compare skill level in completely disparate regions with no cross-region competition because how good you look is in large part a product of your competition. But in the case of comparing OGN play to NA LCS the difference in level of play is extremely apparent in spite of that, even to relatively inexperienced observers. Even if every Korean team dropped out of Worlds early, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the level of play in Korea isn't vastly higher, because one event doesn't outweigh an entire season of derpy play in NA LCS.
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On September 10 2013 15:13 BrownBear wrote:
At this point, I just want a North American team to beat a Korean team so that the LoL hivemind will stop talking about "Korean players so gosu top 3 at Worlds ez huehuehue". Because honestly, everywhere I go, it's a big Korean circlejerk, and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
Sadly, I don't think a Korean sweep is that much of a stretch, so... I guess I'll have to get used to it.
Korea is by far the best region. It's not contestable. The only question is who has the best team.
The NA circlejerk annoys me more honestly. Too much disrespect for the Europeans cause they lost at all stars and people are getting too cocky. I'd like to remind people that NA has been curbstomped by all the major international teams for the past year and it hasn't just been the asian teams. Seriously, NA wasn't even CLOSE to Europe at the last international events. It will be breaking a milestone if TSM can come out of their group above second to last and if C9 can beat ANY team coming out of groups, not just koreans.
Just about all the improvements NA has made over this year is through watching the koreans and studying them heavily. Just because they can play some resemblance of that doesn't make them as good. Then all the talks about not being impressed by the Chinese? We'll see how well the NA teams can start adjusting when all they've been doing is copying.
Watching CLG's performance this last split and the fact that they could even finish with the record that they had is astonishing.
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On September 10 2013 15:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey, my team said something today. The enemy team was doing Baron and there were 4 of us ready to stop them but the 5th was lagging behind. So I wanted to engage, but my team said that the Baron debuff for +25-250% damage only applied to damage dealt by baron. That this was a change Riot made. Is this true that the damage is only amplified from Baron? Because I totally feel like 3.5x free damage means we can 4v5 members in the pit while wrath of the ancients is running.
The increased damage taken debuff still applies to all damage. The change was turning the -50% AD debuff into -50% damage dealt to Baron.
On September 10 2013 15:31 MattBarry wrote:
Because if he watched Koreans play he'd understand why no one thinks NA has a shot in hell of beating a Korean team, well one of the big 6 Korean teams. I actually think top NA teams could compete with CTU/Xenics.
By "top NA teams" you mean C9. The dropoff from C9 to Vulcun/TSM is enormous, and while C9 definitely could perform well against mid-tier Korean teams, Vulcun/TSM are assuredly a level below them.
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Can anyone link to me a really good FP Vod of a pro top laner playing out an entire game with a standard AD bruiser type top; preferably one without a big insta-waveclear (I play jax the most, I suppose; one with commentary would be nice).
What I'm looking for specifically is farming patterns. There's a point in the game about after I get one big item (BotRK or Triforce in this case) and boots, that I really stop putting a priority on farm. I'll end the game with only like 150 Farm because at some point the lane became all about either
A) Killing the other guy and roaming
or
B) Teamfighting somewhere else
I notice that I give my opponent too much room to come back into the game because I don't know when to farm/push and when to go fight. It's a hard spot because I know I want to push my team to get objectives (and in solo q especially, if there isn't someone there herding your team to where you need to go, they might just start dying when someone else does that on the other team), to win in teamfights, etc, BUT if the other guy just sits top and gets 40-50 CS for free and I missed out on it to go get our team some kills, that other guy will catch up a decent amount of the gold I just gained and push our tower.
I used to play a ton of singed (and I still do when I really need a win), but with him it's easy. I'm always farming everywhere I go, and it only took me 4 seconds to farm a lane, push it up and bounce to somewhere where I was needed (while killing jungle creeps and the other lane's creeps on the way) so I ended up staying way ahead of the other laner because I could essentailly do both at the same time.
Hoping to get some insight into this. Thanks
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On September 10 2013 15:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey, my team said something today. The enemy team was doing Baron and there were 4 of us ready to stop them but the 5th was lagging behind. So I wanted to engage, but my team said that the Baron debuff for +25-250% damage only applied to damage dealt by baron. That this was a change Riot made. Is this true that the damage is only amplified from Baron? Because I totally feel like 3.5x free damage means we can 4v5 members in the pit while wrath of the ancients is running.
The magic damage debuff applies to all magic.
There is also the damage halving debuff. Against most teams, you can begin fights 3 or 4v5 if baron is attacking, and your members are relatively tanky initiators, so long as the rest of your team isn't more than a few seconds away.
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