[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 24

On September 06 2013 00:17 Don_Julio wrote:
Krepo

On September 06 2013 00:14 Nos- wrote:
I kind of want the equivalent of Idra casting League, that'd be cool. Just dry analysis and information

On September 05 2013 23:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Idk, but if his Aetherling resolves, you have ~2 turns to hit your win con...

Serious face though, I haven't seen a Jayce in the few days I've been back. Not really complaining about it. Did he get a round of nerfs?

On September 06 2013 00:24 NeoIllusions wrote:

You more or less have to wait for a wave of LoL pros to retire and hope a few of them go into casting. Jatt was the lone one from the first generation and he went directly to Riot.

That said, I think Jatt is the LCS caster that says the least fluff, for good reason.

Edit: TIL Cheep just wants to be entertained. Surprise.

On September 06 2013 00:26 Osmoses wrote:
Analysis can help a game become more interesting if it is well-informed and points out the furtive stuff you might be too busy to notice yourself, but anyone who's that good at the game isn't gonna spend his time casting. Either way, the most important quality of any caster is to be entertaining, and why waste your time analyzing stuff when you can just watch the game with the rest of the fans, make some silly remarks and then go "HOOHOOHOHHHMYGOOOD REGIIIIII!!!!!" and be just as entertaining?

I barely remember the races played in the Combat-Ex / Chill grudgematch but I do remember the bear semen. I don't remember who ended Savior in the Gom Invitational, but I do remember Tasteless screaming like a madman before going right back to talking about his DBZ hair and how badly he needed to go to the bathroom.

On September 06 2013 00:07 OhTwoMise wrote:


I guess this is my problem. I don't think they are. Do the majority of LoL players really need a definition of Zhonya's every time one gets bought? Can they really not tell that someone is farming the jungle? I understand that there are multiple levels of understanding in the game, but I really think you need to draw the line somewhere, and that needs to be well north of describing what is happening on the screen when there is only one champion there unless it has some specific strategic significance (IE, clearing a ward hotspot).

For what it's worth, I actually think most of the LCS casters are perfectly serviceable outside of this area. Even though the vast majority of the play-by-play AND analysis are things I could glean myself, it allows me to do things while sort of casually observing instead of focusing 100% on the game.

Edit:
I wonder what the actual demographic on the average observer is. I would guess at least Silver.

Edit2:


Forgot I wanted to bring this up. Any level of analysis is actually fine (it's basically filler unless you have current pros in the booth), but it has to be correct. This is my issue with Kaplan. He's wrong at least as much as he's right.

On September 06 2013 00:36 Haiq343 wrote:

Just to address this specifically. I would bet that Riot is doing that intentionally to make the casting more approachable for new/uniformed players. (Dota is regularly described as incomprehensible to new viewers in part because the casters skip the obvious). I'd also anticipate that most of the LCS's viewers are ~bronze just due to sheer volume of player distribution. Casting style is a preference, and as a mostly analytical crowd with RTS ties TLoL is going to be interested in something very different than a more casual fan.

I vote Neo and Wave cast worlds for us.

On September 06 2013 00:30 lefty wrote:
The "Riot is catering to casuals" schtick gets old very quick. Korean OGN or even nicegameTV caters to casuals just as much, but they never question the audiences intelligence, which I can't say for Riot approach to commentating and "analysis". They seem to be more focused on getting champion skill names correctly than explaining the thought process actual plays. Just overall commentating in the western LoL scene leaves much to be desired. I dont think Monte is best at analyzing but he is better than most riot ones because he actually criticizes or questions plays, while riot ones would pretend everything is swell when one team is running off with a 2-3k gold difference at 10 minutes.

On September 06 2013 00:44 Slusher wrote:
Cheep just mad because Monte Cristo thinks Ziggs is the worst champion in league. (I'm not sure why either)

I.

On September 06 2013 00:59 Slusher wrote:
he's pretty outspoken about it, it's hard to miss.

On September 06 2013 00:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:


That's more of a culture thing, I think.

It's a hard balance to be critical but constructive. A lot of NA players (this is a VERY rash generalization) are not receptive to criticism, and would potentially be unhappy with a lot of criticism when the casters are analyzing. But yes, I personally would prefer casters to be more critical in LCS and such.

OGN and nicegameTV cater to (mostly) different demographics as far as I know. Think about how critical asian countries are of their youth - pressing for only the best. American culture is far more lackadaisical in that regard.

This isn't the ONLY factor, but I certainly think it contributes a non-negligible amount.

On September 06 2013 00:59 Slusher wrote:
he's pretty outspoken about it, it's hard to miss.