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On September 05 2013 23:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
i don't really like monte and doa and am kinda confused by their reputation, their analysis is super weak idk why they get praised as the best "analytical" casters...
Well if you compare them to anyone but maybe a jatt/kobe combo their analysis is just next level lol.League casting in general is pretty meh honestly.
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jatt/kobe is shit too
i actually just dont like any casters
gg
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United States37500 Posts
So much caster "bashing", zzz.
tbh, someone needs to step up and cast for the hardcore audience. I get what you guys say about the Riot casters but you have to realize the audience. It's more geared towards fun than analytical.
Edit: Typical Cheep.
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On September 05 2013 23:28 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:24 Volband wrote:
What I hate about the LCS casting is:
- Cop became so agressive!
- Reginald is so agressive!
- Did you know that Doublelift, is Doublelift?
- That's Reginald for you!
- It's CLG, long game jokes incoming!
- C9 is so good, right?
- Oh look, Coast doing their pregame ritual for the 20th time; let's talk about it and Elementz again.
- Thats so Regi!
- Trist is a late game carry. She needs farm. So she becomes strong later. She's a late game carry named Tristana.
- Scarra likes Gragas.
- Chauster has really improved with Thresh [ROFL, HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY BECOME WORSE THAN THAT]
- ... aand here comes Regi with the agressive Flash! That Flash was agressive I almost pee-peed my pants.
Can't think of more right off the bat, but you get what Im saying. Makes me sick sometimes. Have you heard the good word? The word of the Mute Button?
How can you enjoy it muted? I need the play-by-play cast to pump me up, I just don't want all these forced comments.
Also, the sound effects. If I could only mute the casters, it would be fine, but I don't want to say "AAAAHHHHHHhhhh" every time a Vlad ult has been casted, just to imitate the sfx.
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On September 05 2013 23:39 nanospartan wrote:
How's the state of Jayce right now? is the consensus to still rush muramana?
depends who you face, you might want a hex before tears.
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I wish there was an in-game sounds only option (or even players' sounds) with no casters cause otherwise it feels kinda weird completely muted
i dont really mind casters that keep it entertaining, i just hate casters that pretend to be analytical while adding nothing of value, which pretty much describes all the casters that are currently billed as analytical
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On September 05 2013 23:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
So much caster "bashing", zzz.
tbh, someone needs to step up and cast for the hardcore audience. I get what you guys say about the Riot casters but you have to realize the audience. It's more geared towards fun than analytical.
Edit: Typical Cheep.
Well I don't really want analytical casters but some of the riot guys aren't funny either.I didn't realise how good we had it in sc2.
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Monte does some good analysis. Or at least he doesn't baby the listeners as much as the Riot casters.
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On September 05 2013 23:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monte does some good analysis. Or at least he doesn't baby the listeners as much as the Riot casters.
i'm not sure repeating the word "objectives" every 15 seconds is what qualifies as "good analysis."
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On September 05 2013 23:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monte does some good analysis. Or at least he doesn't baby the listeners as much as the Riot casters. i'm not sure repeating the word "objectives" every 15 seconds is what qualifies as "good analysis."
I think there are better examples than that, but I'm just gonna abscond from this debate. Agree to disagree.
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On September 05 2013 23:39 nanospartan wrote:
How's the state of Jayce right now? is the consensus to still rush muramana?
Idk, but if his Aetherling resolves, you have ~2 turns to hit your win con...
Serious face though, I haven't seen a Jayce in the few days I've been back. Not really complaining about it. Did he get a round of nerfs?
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On September 05 2013 23:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
Monte does some good analysis. Or at least he doesn't baby the listeners as much as the Riot casters. i'm not sure repeating the word "objectives" every 15 seconds is what qualifies as "good analysis."
Caster buzzword of the month?
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I've watched the majority of my streams/VODs in the past couple years on mute, so it doesn't phase me really. I'm fine thinking to myself while watching.
In turn, I guess that means I don't have much appreciation for casters nor do care for bad casting.
Edit: @Soniv, Tear took a big nerf, in that manaless skills (like Jayce/Nidalee transformations) no longer charges Tear. It has a longer cooldown when stacking.
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To those who are complaining about casters, I know it's been said before, but go ahead and try your hand at casting.
And yes, I know it is these people's jobs to cast, but you have to remember that they are catering to the majority audience of LoL players. It's literally impossible to please everyone in casting, so you have to cut your losses. Unfortunately, most of us are the minority in our preferences to casters, and those who really don't care just mute.
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i usually listen to it on mute with music but sometimes i want t ohear the sounds, at which time ill just take the casting
as i said i really dont mind casting thats just play by play with no "substance," because to me thats infinitely preferable to shitty "substance"
On September 05 2013 23:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
To those who are complaining about casters, I know it's been said before, but go ahead and try your hand at casting.
And yes, I know it is these people's jobs to cast,
that was, is, and always will be a terrible justification
just because you admit the opposing argument exist (it's these people's jobs to cast) doesnt mean you've addressed it
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On September 05 2013 23:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
To those who are complaining about casters, I know it's been said before, but go ahead and try your hand at casting.
And yes, I know it is these people's jobs to cast, but you have to remember that they are catering to the majority audience of LoL players. It's literally impossible to please everyone in casting, so you have to cut your losses. Unfortunately, most of us are the minority in our preferences to casters, and those who really don't care just mute.
I guess this is my problem. I don't think they are. Do the majority of LoL players really need a definition of Zhonya's every time one gets bought? Can they really not tell that someone is farming the jungle? I understand that there are multiple levels of understanding in the game, but I really think you need to draw the line somewhere, and that needs to be well north of describing what is happening on the screen when there is only one champion there unless it has some specific strategic significance (IE, clearing a ward hotspot).
For what it's worth, I actually think most of the LCS casters are perfectly serviceable outside of this area. Even though the vast majority of the play-by-play AND analysis are things I could glean myself, it allows me to do things while sort of casually observing instead of focusing 100% on the game.
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I wonder what the actual demographic on the average observer is. I would guess at least Silver.
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On September 06 2013 00:08 upperbound wrote:
As long as you don't actually rely on them for significant game analysis....
Forgot I wanted to bring this up. Any level of analysis is actually fine (it's basically filler unless you have current pros in the booth), but it has to be correct. This is my issue with Kaplan. He's wrong at least as much as he's right.
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The casting can be fun. As long as you don't actually rely on them for significant game analysis, some of them are funny, all of them speak with appropriate inflection for the situation, and they always find ways to fill dead time.
I think, though, that if Riot does actually want a mix of pithy analysis and entertainment, John Madden is no justification for having casters that don't understand the game. Sure, people that know about football might not like that he always explains what the A gap is or that he simplifies defensive schemes when he explains them, but the dude knows his football. He was a Super Bowl winning head coach.
As league continues to grow, viewing audiences explode, and players start to retire, we'll see more and more talent in the casting booths. Listening to some pros give interviews, they would likely make very good analytical casters.
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I kind of want the equivalent of Idra casting League, that'd be cool. Just dry analysis and information
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Does rivington still work as a major caster for riot?
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