EPTNot sure how much this holds true. Vayne uses bork really well, sure, but nerfing bork would probably make it look like a much less compelling option for everyone else (especially with Tri-force how it is now).
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Not sure how much this holds true. Vayne uses bork really well, sure, but nerfing bork would probably make it look like a much less compelling option for everyone else (especially with Tri-force how it is now). | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On September 16 2013 11:22 Dark_Chill wrote: Not sure how much this holds true. Vayne uses bork really well, sure, but nerfing bork would probably make it look like a much less compelling option for everyone else (especially with Tri-force how it is now). so? lol | ||
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ETisME
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Say what you want about teams needing to adjust, but honestly can you really say that teams were able to fully understand how to play with/against Corki with Triforce or play without Zac? I really don't think you can. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 16 2013 11:30 ETisME wrote: how is orianna damage so high wow When a 30 minute Orianna is actually doing 55 minute damage Orianna, she does a lot of damage. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On September 16 2013 11:16 cLutZ wrote: Like, if you don't think Vayne is a decently-high level AD carry in difficulty, and you don't like watching Vaynes in progames (which is 100% of what my balance complaints are about, because I know I'm not good enough for it to effect my games), then my only conclusion is you want the position to be eliminated from the game. not at all, i just absolutely hate vayne and playing against her, maybe it's just my silver showing but she is guaranteed to get fed, and crushes the shit out of my bot lane every game although, since i hit silver 1 suddenly i'm going legendary and carrying hard as shit as lee jungle, it's like everyone got worse in this league, which is awesome as the elise skin suddenly looks attainable | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
On September 16 2013 12:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: not at all, i just absolutely hate vayne and playing against her, maybe it's just my silver showing but she is guaranteed to get fed, and crushes the shit out of my bot lane every game As a silver who plays Vayne a lot, and gets fed a lot, it's actually hilarious how badly people lane against her. It's like they don't know what she does. I'm Vayne - my early game isn't very good, unless you're an Ashe who walks right next to every wall all the time and lets me stun you every five seconds. It's hilarious, I'll get a kill with condemn at level three a lot of the time and the all chat just goes into "Vayne so op" - it's like, do you even know who I am? That's not being overpowered, that's just me using my champion how she should be used. Just pick Draven/MF Leona bot against Vayne and laugh as she melts. Edit: though I admit most of the other marksmen (hue) are more fun to watch in pro games. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On September 16 2013 12:53 InfSunday wrote: As a silver who plays Vayne a lot, and gets fed a lot, it's actually hilarious how badly people lane against her. It's like they don't know what she does. I'm Vayne - my early game isn't very good, unless you're an Ashe who walks right next to every wall all the time and lets me stun you every five seconds. It's hilarious, I'll get a kill with condemn at level three a lot of the time and the all chat just goes into "Vayne so op" - it's like, do you even know who I am? That's not being overpowered, that's just me using my champion how she should be used. Just pick Draven/MF Leona bot against Vayne and laugh as she melts. Edit: though I admit most of the other marksmen (hue) are more fun to watch in pro games. Just crushed a Vayne Janna lane with Blitz Corki. But then again my blitz crushes everylane H4 H4 H4 | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:23 Ketara wrote: Okay. Lets do some simple math, looking at these builds. I noticed that the way I was doing math for Attack Speed is incorrect, so I went into a custom game and got all the items to check the attack speeds. It took a long time so you BETTER APPRECIATE IT QQ + Show Spoiler [numbers] + At level 18 Tristana has 100.5 base AD and base 1.12832 ASPD. With runes (hybrid pen / armor / mr / lifesteal), 21/9/0 masteries and items, she's at the following: Build A: (IE LW PD PD) AD: 225.5 Arpen: 35%+8%+13.1 ASPD: 2.5 with Q, 2.09 without Q Build B: (IE IE LW BotRK) AD: 320.5 Arpen: 35%+8%+13.1 ASPD: 2.18 with Q, 1.59 without Q Now, ignoring the BotRK passive altogether, lets look at some DPS totals vs. different armor amounts. + Show Spoiler [conclusions] + Build A: (IE LW PD PD) DPS vs. 100(46.7) armor: 764.73 with Q, then 639.31 DPS vs. 200(106.5) armor: 543.27 with Q, then 454.17 DPS vs. 300(166.3) armor: 421.27 with Q, then 352.18 Build B: (IE IE LW BotRK) DPS vs. 100(46.7) armor: 869.19 with Q, then 633.95 DPS vs. 200(106.5) armor: 617.48 with Q, then 450.36 DPS vs. 300(166.3) armor: 478.82 with Q, then 349.23 So as we can see, the IE LW PD PD build does less damage while Q is active, and after it goes down does less than 1% more, which will be overtaken by the BotRK passive no matter how much HP the target has. Also the build with BotRK has lifesteal and a BotRK active. Moral of the story, screw Ghostblade I'm a baddie. I wonder what the numbers for IE PD LW BotRK would be on Trist in comparison. Fk. lol double IE is broken for a 4 item comparison. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 16 2013 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote: Honestly, I think Corki's strength will normalize soon- he's not batshit OP. He's just following the usual trend: Stage 1: Gets buffed, no one notices Stage 2: Gets buffed people notice and winrate goes up Stage 3: FOTM Stage 4: People learn to deal with him Stage 5: Winrate stabilizes He is still pretty weak pre-6/ first back IMO. His passive isn't going to add significant damage, and his escape is still on a long CD. He has no long range harass or CC, and his only harassing skill costs a buttload of mana. That changes once he gets Sheen or hits 6, but he's pretty bully-able before then. Stage 4+ only applies to games that don't get patched every 2-3 weeks | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
/tinfoil hat mode on | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 14:41 cLutZ wrote: Who cares if Corki is good, the important point is that Corki is boring. Kog clearly the problem. Not corki. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
edit: well, i guess 4 shot if you dont luck out and get a crit, but still. 4 shotting an ad carry with 2 items is just hilarious. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 16 2013 16:28 Dusty wrote: honestly have no idea why people build bork on vayne anymore anyways, bt trinity on vayne lets her 3 shot the enemy ad carry, its ridiculous. edit: well, i guess 4 shot if you dont luck out and get a crit, but still. 4 shotting an ad carry with 2 items is just hilarious. Because BotRK gives you a powerful single item timing that translates into solo-killing potential against a lot of champs. Trinity is a powerful fighting item, but doesn't have the same solo-kill usefulness that BotRK does, especially since it no longer carries a slow. With Vayne and Twitch in particular this suits their power curves because they are strong duelists/solo-killers at that 1-item timing, but would not necessarily be strong teamfighters even if you chose teamfight-focused items. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
LOL, hugs. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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