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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
September 16 2013 11:12 GMT
#3221
On September 16 2013 19:19 Numy wrote:
Didn't realize EU were saying such things. There's no real evidence to support NA being behind. The only real thing was the BMT since Gambit/Fnatic tend to show better form in lan events(Maybe not fnatic as much) where as NA teams were more untested. The LCS if anything showed NA being even or ahead of EU I feel. Must be some random trashtalk

The only reason why people are saying NA is weak is that no NA team ever achieved anything against koreans. EU and NA teams are not really different skill wise, and one might even say that C9 might be a bit above other foreigners right now (EU top teams seems all shakky imo).
But in the midst of all that, NA never managed to do anything as soon as a korean team stepped up. World might be the moment for things to change.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 16 2013 11:46 GMT
#3222
On September 16 2013 17:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 17:10 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 16 2013 16:58 TheYango wrote:
Is it supposed to be news to us that they beat Mineski and Vulcun in scrims?

They were able to beat both gambit and fnatic. I think that's news. This is a team that got utterly crushed by C9 btw so I don't think C9 would lose to the europeans either.


Source?

@yango <333

http://au.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/xpecial-is-confident-that-vulcun-will-make-it-out-of-groups-6414473/


"I can't give you any number but we were doing very well vs Group B in scrims"

"I'm pretty sure would have gotten out of group b in a breeze"

It's going to be so much more fun to see TSM and Vulcun drop out of groups.
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 11:53:09
September 16 2013 11:47 GMT
#3223
I was randomly watching parts of the CLG documentary and i found this

+ Show Spoiler +


Is Chauster delusional or just a comedy genius?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 16 2013 11:49 GMT
#3224
On September 16 2013 20:47 Spaiku wrote:
So i was randomly watching parts of the CLG documentary and i found this

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-ogRVCTFvU#t=103m11s


Is Chauster delusional or just a comedy genius?


Chauster chose the stand-up comedy path half a year earlier than Doublelift.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 12:05:03
September 16 2013 12:04 GMT
#3225
On September 16 2013 20:46 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 17:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:10 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 16 2013 16:58 TheYango wrote:
Is it supposed to be news to us that they beat Mineski and Vulcun in scrims?

They were able to beat both gambit and fnatic. I think that's news. This is a team that got utterly crushed by C9 btw so I don't think C9 would lose to the europeans either.


Source?

@yango <333

http://au.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/xpecial-is-confident-that-vulcun-will-make-it-out-of-groups-6414473/


"I can't give you any number but we were doing very well vs Group B in scrims"

"I'm pretty sure would have gotten out of group b in a breeze"

It's going to be so much more fun to see TSM and Vulcun drop out of groups.

Can't believe I'm this excited about an NA/EU game. Vulcan vs Gambit will be amazing.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
September 16 2013 12:19 GMT
#3226
On September 16 2013 21:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 20:46 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:10 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 16 2013 16:58 TheYango wrote:
Is it supposed to be news to us that they beat Mineski and Vulcun in scrims?

They were able to beat both gambit and fnatic. I think that's news. This is a team that got utterly crushed by C9 btw so I don't think C9 would lose to the europeans either.


Source?

@yango <333

http://au.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/xpecial-is-confident-that-vulcun-will-make-it-out-of-groups-6414473/


"I can't give you any number but we were doing very well vs Group B in scrims"

"I'm pretty sure would have gotten out of group b in a breeze"

It's going to be so much more fun to see TSM and Vulcun drop out of groups.

Can't believe I'm this excited about an NA/EU game. Vulcan vs Gambit will be amazing.

I'm so happy NA has already outperformed a lot of peoples expectations in groups. If anything, day 1 is proof of concept that LCS is working.

On September 16 2013 14:35 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
Honestly, I think Corki's strength will normalize soon- he's not batshit OP. He's just following the usual trend:

Stage 1: Gets buffed, no one notices
Stage 2: Gets buffed people notice and winrate goes up
Stage 3: FOTM
Stage 4: People learn to deal with him
Stage 5: Winrate stabilizes

He is still pretty weak pre-6/ first back IMO. His passive isn't going to add significant damage, and his escape is still on a long CD. He has no long range harass or CC, and his only harassing skill costs a buttload of mana. That changes once he gets Sheen or hits 6, but he's pretty bully-able before then.

Stage 4+ only applies to games that don't get patched every 2-3 weeks

If only it's been around a month between patches since 3.5. Oh, wait.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 16 2013 12:34 GMT
#3227
You say that like a month between patches is a long time when the normal turnaround time for people even recognizing a new champ's strength is usually ~2 (discounting things that were blatantly obviously too strong on release).
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 12:49:57
September 16 2013 12:47 GMT
#3228
Riot are dumb for having a patch so close to Worlds that changed so much shit. Consider the fact that other regions haven't had as much time to practice on the new patch either and find the best options. Call it a conspiracy but I think they went through with it intentionally to make Worlds closer in competition. Can't even express how important bans/picks and that first pick is right now with a now must ban corki if you don't get it imo. Ahri ban/pick I think will also be super important unless you have a world class fizz. So now you have 4 must bans in shen, ahri, zed, and corki.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 16 2013 12:50 GMT
#3229
Even if you can play Fizz, Fizz is in general harder to fit a teamcomp to than Ahri.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 16 2013 12:55 GMT
#3230
The world's finals patch hasn't touched Ahri, she's had this status for awhile frankly, at least on Korea (and EU a bit, more due to Ahri being popular there and therefore usually stronger than the mids' other champions, than to Ahri being deemed too strong by herself).
The other thing that made her this popular is the shift back to midlane from the jungle: less pressure/holding on sidelanes, more playmaking in mid, and popular junglers like Lee/J4/Vi pairing pretty well with assassins like her for snowballing -> roaming really help her.

Zed and Fizz do this pretty well too but their pre-6 aren't as strong as hers (Zed is even more versatile and "reliable" however, but he's been ban/pick for awhile).
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 16 2013 12:59 GMT
#3231
I don't see SSO doing well in this meta. They can't play all the high priority picks which should be a staple to any competitive team. Imp doesn't favor corki because it's not really a high mechanical champion, dade has no ahri whatsoever (amazingly, not sure how you can't have an ahri) and no fizz. They can just get completely outpicked/banned by every team.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 16 2013 13:03 GMT
#3232
On September 16 2013 21:55 Alaric wrote:
The world's finals patch hasn't touched Ahri, she's had this status for awhile frankly, at least on Korea (and EU a bit, more due to Ahri being popular there and therefore usually stronger than the mids' other champions, than to Ahri being deemed too strong by herself).
The other thing that made her this popular is the shift back to midlane from the jungle: less pressure/holding on sidelanes, more playmaking in mid, and popular junglers like Lee/J4/Vi pairing pretty well with assassins like her for snowballing -> roaming really help her.

Zed and Fizz do this pretty well too but their pre-6 aren't as strong as hers (Zed is even more versatile and "reliable" however, but he's been ban/pick for awhile).

Ahri is just a lesser Zed tbh. I don't consider her particularly OP, but she's up there and a really strong replacement for Zed for most teams.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 16 2013 13:05 GMT
#3233
On September 16 2013 21:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't see SSO doing well in this meta. They can't play all the high priority picks which should be a staple to any competitive team. Imp doesn't favor corki because it's not really a high mechanical champion, dade has no ahri whatsoever (amazingly, not sure how you can't have an ahri) and no fizz. They can just get completely outpicked/banned by every team.

We'll see how they do today.

A lot hinges on how they do vs Fnatic. I don't think Fnatic have looked that good either, but Ozone went into this group with a big red target painted on their backs, and Fnatic have been known to prep well even though they aren't all that clutch, IMO.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 13:12:27
September 16 2013 13:07 GMT
#3234
On September 16 2013 22:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 21:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't see SSO doing well in this meta. They can't play all the high priority picks which should be a staple to any competitive team. Imp doesn't favor corki because it's not really a high mechanical champion, dade has no ahri whatsoever (amazingly, not sure how you can't have an ahri) and no fizz. They can just get completely outpicked/banned by every team.

We'll see how they do today.

A lot hinges on how they do vs Fnatic. I don't think Fnatic have looked that good either, but Ozone went into this group with a big red target painted on their backs, and Fnatic have been known to prep well even though they aren't all that clutch, IMO.

Maybe they can do better if Dade stops giving up free kills as Ryze. He's a good ryze, and I don't consider ahri vs ryze to be ahri favored in this patch, but it's certainly not ryze favored. I was watching the vulcan game and he got first blooded because he played the matchup like it was 3.9 where the extra range let you zone ahri and play aggressively with no minions to block charm. Really can't play aggressive onto ahri anymore as ryze.

The singed pick does ok to go toe to toe with shen, but what happens when he doesn't get a 1v1 lane? Not to mention if they ban caitlyn imp will be in a disadvantaged lane most of the time.

Fnatic picked the worst out of all the major teams today. They need to adjust their playstyle cause they're bringing in LCS strats while everyone else is playing the international game.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
September 16 2013 13:13 GMT
#3235
On September 16 2013 22:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 21:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't see SSO doing well in this meta. They can't play all the high priority picks which should be a staple to any competitive team. Imp doesn't favor corki because it's not really a high mechanical champion, dade has no ahri whatsoever (amazingly, not sure how you can't have an ahri) and no fizz. They can just get completely outpicked/banned by every team.

We'll see how they do today.

A lot hinges on how they do vs Fnatic. I don't think Fnatic have looked that good either, but Ozone went into this group with a big red target painted on their backs, and Fnatic have been known to prep well even though they aren't all that clutch, IMO.

Fnatic is and will always be a big question mark when they come in a tournament. Sometimes they melt faces like they're the best team in the world, sometimes they lose in convincing fashion to second tier teams like Vulcun. I feel like they're really hit-or-miss.

I'm sure they could surprise many people in pool play and just generally disrupt the rankings.
The legend of Darien lives on
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 16 2013 13:16 GMT
#3236
Personally my general opinion on fnatic are that they are a cheesy team.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 13:20:33
September 16 2013 13:17 GMT
#3237
On September 16 2013 22:13 mr_tolkien wrote:
Fnatic is and will always be a big question mark when they come in a tournament. Sometimes they melt faces like they're the best team in the world, sometimes they lose in convincing fashion to second tier teams like Vulcun. I feel like they're really hit-or-miss.

I'm sure they could surprise many people in pool play and just generally disrupt the rankings.

I don't think their "hit-or-miss" is all that surprising, tbh. They're a team that preps and strategizes very well but aren't that clutch when their backs are against the wall. So they look really good against the teams they prep for/situations they've prepped for, but when they're winging it (and I don't think it's too unlikely that they wrote off Vulcun as a team that's weak enough for them to wing it against) they can look really bad.

I've had this impression of them since IPL5, when they crushed TPA and Blaze with preparation (as I said then, soaz on Kha'zix was for sure a strat prepared exclusively for TPA because they never played the champ against any other team in the tournament) because those two were the teams that were on everyone's radar going into the event, but didn't really have an answer to WE because only the people who really did their homework or were familiar with Asian LoL going into the event marked them as contenders for the title.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 13:27 GMT
#3238
So, I've been playing Swain a bit lately. I have to say, I definitely like him in the current mid meta.

Side note: I just got back into Plat 1 and I'm only getting/losing ~4-6 for each win/loss. It's certainly annoying and making getting back to diamond rather grind-y.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 13:37:50
September 16 2013 13:35 GMT
#3239
On September 16 2013 21:55 Alaric wrote:
The world's finals patch hasn't touched Ahri, she's had this status for awhile frankly, at least on Korea (and EU a bit, more due to Ahri being popular there and therefore usually stronger than the mids' other champions, than to Ahri being deemed too strong by herself).
The other thing that made her this popular is the shift back to midlane from the jungle: less pressure/holding on sidelanes, more playmaking in mid, and popular junglers like Lee/J4/Vi pairing pretty well with assassins like her for snowballing -> roaming really help her.

Zed and Fizz do this pretty well too but their pre-6 aren't as strong as hers (Zed is even more versatile and "reliable" however, but he's been ban/pick for awhile).



The only time i see Ahri losing in ranked is against a competent kassadin (who also is a common pick/ban in EU atm). She's just insanely hard overall to shut down, because if she goes behind in cs early, her ganks are incredibly strong.


EDIT: Zed and Fizz both suffer from zhonyas pop during ult, which pretty much makes them useless for 1v1.
hi
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 16 2013 13:53 GMT
#3240
On September 16 2013 22:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So, I've been playing Swain a bit lately. I have to say, I definitely like him in the current mid meta.

Side note: I just got back into Plat 1 and I'm only getting/losing ~4-6 for each win/loss. It's certainly annoying and making getting back to diamond rather grind-y.

Wat.
Fuck dat guy.
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