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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
September 16 2013 00:18 GMT
#3161
On September 16 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
D1 of Worlds (not a spoiler), has reminded me why Riot let Corki languish for so long. If he is even mildly strong he just makes the AD-Support meta so boring.


turns out when you buff someone 3 patches in a row and buff his core items they become strong

rito pls
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 16 2013 00:23 GMT
#3162
While I love seeing Corki being played again since he's my favorite AD carry, I can't help but feel it's really fucking retarded that he's being played in every match almost purely due to Riot buffing Triforce right before worlds after being completely ignored for basically the whole year.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 00:29:53
September 16 2013 00:29 GMT
#3163
It was a big change, I do like see Corki again though. Although if this 100% pick rate keeps up I might get tired of him
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 00:33:20
September 16 2013 00:30 GMT
#3164
Honestly, I think Corki's strength will normalize soon- he's not batshit OP. He's just following the usual trend:

Stage 1: Gets buffed, no one notices
Stage 2: Gets buffed people notice and winrate goes up
Stage 3: FOTM
Stage 4: People learn to deal with him
Stage 5: Winrate stabilizes

He is still pretty weak pre-6/ first back IMO. His passive isn't going to add significant damage, and his escape is still on a long CD. He has no long range harass or CC, and his only harassing skill costs a buttload of mana. That changes once he gets Sheen or hits 6, but he's pretty bully-able before then.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 16 2013 00:42 GMT
#3165
On September 16 2013 09:16 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
D1 of Worlds (not a spoiler), has reminded me why Riot let Corki languish for so long. If he is even mildly strong he just makes the AD-Support meta so boring.

MF and Ezreal and Draven more interesting yo.
... not.

It's been what, two weeks since the patch is out? Maybe it'll die down if we leave it more time to be figured out, it's a fad atm, and we'll see later to what extend it is justified.


MF I'm on board with, but Draven is kinda fun, and Ez never wins lane so he is more just lame on the backend of the game.

Corki, probably isn't even OP, but is just like: P-Bomb, Rocket, Hue. Maybe some Gatling. ZZZ.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 16 2013 00:55 GMT
#3166
On September 16 2013 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
Honestly, I think Corki's strength will normalize soon- he's not batshit OP. He's just following the usual trend:

Stage 1: Gets buffed, no one notices
Stage 2: Gets buffed people notice and winrate goes up
Stage 3: FOTM
Stage 4: People learn to deal with him
Stage 5: Winrate stabilizes

He is still pretty weak pre-6/ first back IMO. His passive isn't going to add significant damage, and his escape is still on a long CD. He has no long range harass or CC, and his only harassing skill costs a buttload of mana. That changes once he gets Sheen or hits 6, but he's pretty bully-able before then.

it's more like get core item massively buffed. Everyone instantly notices. 100% pick/ban rate.

Triforce proc went from 150% to 200% that's a 33% increase.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 16 2013 00:57 GMT
#3167
Draven is so limited though. I love him as a character, and the way he was designed, but gameplay-wise I really dislike how reliant he is on snowballing his lane (esp. now that his laning/damage have been nerfed) and how weak his teamfighting is. Compare it to, say, Graves, who's not a teamfight monster and primarily a skirmishing/midgame carry too, his teamfighting despite his short range is nowhere near as poor as Draven's.

Corki on the other hand doesn't rely on overdone AS steroids, the way Valkyrie works also makes him different from Ezreal or Vayne (and the way he uses it can also be pretty different from Cait because of how much shorter the range he operates at is), he has his distinct powercurve and brings itemisation different from BotRK most games.
His damage is currently really scary, but it's far from being as stale as an hypercarry like Vayne hitting her stride as early as BotRK and never falling off, for example.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 16 2013 01:07 GMT
#3168
So....there are 5 more games supposedly happening tonight?
Are they going to be playing until 6 AM EST?
I don't follow the logic in this schedule....
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 16 2013 01:12 GMT
#3169
Yeah, Day 1 and Day 6 are like that. Day 2-5 are "only" 5 games, starting 2 hours from "now" (no idea what time it is, either EST or PST).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 01:18:39
September 16 2013 01:17 GMT
#3170
I don't really think calling Corki a fad is that accurate. He's been slowly getting buffed for 5-6 patches, and an item he can get a ton of use out of was just made cheaper and stronger. It doesn't really take a genius to realize that 20 mana missiles, plus missiles that load more quickly, and a stronger triforce proc make Corki beastly.

3 patches ago his missiles wouldn't even do damage sometimes. 5 patches ago the reload time on his missiles was borked if you shot a missile.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 01:23:42
September 16 2013 01:22 GMT
#3171
I can almost guarantee you that if it wasn't for the Triforce buff/change, you would not be seeing Corki played more than once or twice in this championship. The mana cost changes were pretty nice, but Corki's damage simply wasn't there compared to the stuff that was popular. Triforce change made it so he can outdamage pretty much every other AD carry with just one item.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 16 2013 01:27 GMT
#3172
On September 16 2013 09:57 Alaric wrote:
Draven is so limited though. I love him as a character, and the way he was designed, but gameplay-wise I really dislike how reliant he is on snowballing his lane (esp. now that his laning/damage have been nerfed) and how weak his teamfighting is. Compare it to, say, Graves, who's not a teamfight monster and primarily a skirmishing/midgame carry too, his teamfighting despite his short range is nowhere near as poor as Draven's.

Corki on the other hand doesn't rely on overdone AS steroids, the way Valkyrie works also makes him different from Ezreal or Vayne (and the way he uses it can also be pretty different from Cait because of how much shorter the range he operates at is), he has his distinct powercurve and brings itemisation different from BotRK most games.
His damage is currently really scary, but it's far from being as stale as an hypercarry like Vayne hitting her stride as early as BotRK and never falling off, for example.


Vayne is much more fun for me at least, because when she wins its because Vayne feels like she deserved it. Half the time a Corki gets a kill its because he landed 1 or 2 rockets (by the way, its impossible to dodge them forever), Valkries in, P-Bomb Gatling, and a few autos. Even Graves is sexier to watch.

Also I'm a nerd who wishes the game was more AA reliant as it is.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 16 2013 01:42 GMT
#3173
vayne deserves nothing for pushing 1 to bork and then tumbling around randomly under ulti
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#3174
I don't think the 3.11 changes have had much of an impact on the game honestly.

The Zac changes were just minor hits to be able to counterplay him in teamfights and make his sustain require more management, but we still see him every game.

Corki has only become slightly more viable.

The Twitch changes don't mean much either, he's still been in plenty of games.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 16 2013 01:55 GMT
#3175
On September 16 2013 10:50 xes wrote:
I don't think the 3.11 changes have had much of an impact on the game honestly.

The Zac changes were just minor hits to be able to counterplay him in teamfights and make his sustain require more management, but we still see him every game.

Corki has only become slightly more viable.

The Twitch changes don't mean much either, he's still been in plenty of games.

Only slightly more viable? Bumping him up to 100% pick rate at Worlds so far seems pretty substantial.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 16 2013 02:00 GMT
#3176
On September 16 2013 10:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
vayne deserves nothing for pushing 1 to bork and then tumbling around randomly under ulti

botrk the problem there
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 16 2013 02:02 GMT
#3177
On September 16 2013 10:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 10:50 xes wrote:
I don't think the 3.11 changes have had much of an impact on the game honestly.

The Zac changes were just minor hits to be able to counterplay him in teamfights and make his sustain require more management, but we still see him every game.

Corki has only become slightly more viable.

The Twitch changes don't mean much either, he's still been in plenty of games.

Only slightly more viable? Bumping him up to 100% pick rate at Worlds so far seems pretty substantial.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426389&currentpage=7#139
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 16 2013 02:07 GMT
#3178
I guess we just disagree on what we consider substantial.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 16 2013 02:16 GMT
#3179
On September 16 2013 10:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
vayne deserves nothing for pushing 1 to bork and then tumbling around randomly under ulti


Like, if you don't think Vayne is a decently-high level AD carry in difficulty, and you don't like watching Vaynes in progames (which is 100% of what my balance complaints are about, because I know I'm not good enough for it to effect my games), then my only conclusion is you want the position to be eliminated from the game.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 16 2013 02:17 GMT
#3180
The trinity force changes were fucking huge. Regardless of whether or not corki was good before then is another matter. The trinity buffs make corki a lot fucking stronger.
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