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On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard
The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level
edit: no wait... worse..
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On September 12 2013 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down this Faker guy or whatever his name is. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles Roffles, Regi is a decent player. He is good at what he's good at. We hate Regi because he's a tool. And his mouth is always hanging open. Regards, Soniv
Soniv,
Regi is not a decent player, he's one of the best mids NA has to offer (at the moment) but that's primarily because the only position that NA can have that's up to par of the world level are supports (sorry Chauster not you). He's like 5 rungs behind Korean mids in the ladder that has Faker at the top, and his godliness will match MVP's sc2 godliness. All this in our Holy Shikyo's name, amen.
Sincerely,
Zdrastochye
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On September 12 2013 05:45 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down this Faker guy or whatever his name is. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles Roffles, Regi is a decent player. He is good at what he's good at. We hate Regi because he's a tool. And his mouth is always hanging open. Regards, Soniv Soniv, I'm glad that you understand. There are many people (not limited to just these forums) that have this ridiculous mindset that Reginald is a bad player and should be replaced by someone else. When TSM loses, it's because people like Xpecial and Dyrus do not listen and try to rebel, when in fact this is a team game and in order to maintain cohesion you must all be on the same page. Reginald has always been a strong player who has shown he can lead his team to victory. He may be a tool, but that tool is what keeps TSM together. Without that tool to tell the truth to his plebeian teammates, how would they succeed? Do you think OddOne is good enough to know where to gank and when? Do you think Dyrus is capable of calling the shots? Absolutely not. Reginald is the glue that holds TSM together and has kept TSM relevant for the past 3+ years. Go over to teams like CLG and you'll see what happens when no one on that team is good enough to be a leader of a team. Thanks, Roffles
Roffles,
I agree completely. Regi is a good leader, and has done a lot for eSports in making TSM a huge fan club. He's driven the NA community (either in his favor or towards other teams so that other fans want to crush Regi), but he has largely been beneficial - even if he is a tool.
Regards,
Soniv
P.S. Cheep has always been the less proper of the two. You don't become proper by being Cheep!
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On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse..
And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene.
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On September 12 2013 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down this Faker guy or whatever his name is. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles Roffles, Regi is a decent player. He is good at what he's good at. We hate Regi because he's a tool. And his mouth is always hanging open. Regards, Soniv
Soniv,
Mouths that hang open have a history in eSports though. The one great Magikarp terran(MVP) being the latest and perhaps greatest example.
Sincerely,
Red
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Csheep is a bumbling blind korean fanboy bandwagoner. Roffles is a sophisticated analyst. TheYango of League of Legends professional scene.
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A carping mouth is doomed to slump often.
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On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene.
The point is that the "top" teams were essentially the entire scene. Back then anyone below the bottom 3-4 were basically amateur teams without any major sponsors and tended to disband as quickly as they formed.
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On September 12 2013 05:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Csheep is a bumbling blind korean fanboy bandwagoner. Roffles is a sophisticated analyst. TheYango of League of Legends professional scene.
Pretty sure Yango is the Yango of LoL pro scene...
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene.
Wei2coolman,
The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world.
No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop.
Regards,
Roffles
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On September 12 2013 05:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Csheep is a bumbling blind korean fanboy bandwagoner. Roffles is a sophisticated analyst. TheYango of League of Legends professional scene. Pretty sure Yango is the Yango of LoL pro scene...
and DotA pro scene too.
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Yango is the Asian Morgan Freeman.
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If I could play Caitlyn, you'd never let me go
I can let us play teamcomps, we never played before
Baby don't take a chance on Turtle, or you'll never know
I got an Ashe ult in my hands that I'd really like to blow
Ace ace ace for me
Chillin by Xpecial getting more gold with my E
Dunno about Turtle but I know about me
So say hey to the new Chaox in two, three...
I'd like to be your adc
Hey Regi lemme talk to you
If I could play Draven, you'd never let me go
We could all play teamcomps, we never played before
I can have a bigger champion pool, anything you want
I'll play better than WildTurtle from the moment that we spawn
http://www.directlyrics.com/justin-bieber-boyfriend-lyrics.html
RIP Chaox ;_;
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On September 12 2013 05:54 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene. Wei2coolman, The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world. No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop. Regards, Roffles
When we talk about a region as a whole we don't generally care about the worst teams but we also don't care about just one team. Probably we look at the top 3 or top 5.
And what's with everyone writing posts like they're formal emails
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On September 12 2013 05:54 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene. Wei2coolman, The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world. No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop. Regards, Roffles
Dear Roffles,
CLG won 4 games against TSM last season. How many games did Shield win against SKT and Frost?
Best,
Upper
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On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse..
Saigon jokers > Dignitas, never forget.
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On September 12 2013 05:59 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:54 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene. Wei2coolman, The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world. No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop. Regards, Roffles Dear Roffles, CLG won 4 games against TSM last season. How many games did Shield win against SKT and Frost? Best, Upper
tsm is at all three seasons of worlds
where's clg?
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On September 12 2013 05:59 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. Saigon jokers > Dignitas, never forget.
o right. Even Dignitas were below Dignitas level
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On September 12 2013 06:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:59 upperbound wrote:On September 12 2013 05:54 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
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It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene. Wei2coolman, The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world. No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop. Regards, Roffles Dear Roffles, CLG won 4 games against TSM last season. How many games did Shield win against SKT and Frost? Best, Upper tsm is at all three seasons of worlds where's clg?
Somewhere not getting stomped by international teams
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