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I'll welcome all Jax versus Fiora practice lanes to see how exactly Fiora could ever beat Jax. I don't see how you win the level 1 trade in Jax's minions when Jax can auto until your second Q and then orbwalk back with E on and stun, auto, then walk away. Things seem even worse at levels 2 and 3, and then awful at 6 where Fiora basically doesn't have an ult against Jax (he blocks the whole thing) and Jax's ult lets him always trade favorably against Fiora with the active if she all ins.
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On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys.
DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS?
+ Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM
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On September 12 2013 05:23 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:20 Redox wrote:
Region vs region discussions already becoming so annoying without anything happening. Wonder what happens when there are actual cross region games. I honestly fear I will have to avoid TL during worlds. Well according to reddit, we're a community of elitist pricks who are way too good at the game, and know too much. With knowledge comes truth, and the truth conflicts with what a lot of the masses would like to believe.
Actually the allegation is a community of people that like to pretend they are way too good at the game, and know too much. Your post being a perfect example. 
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On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA.
The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region.
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top is really all that matters, and EU convincingly dismantled NA in both S1 and S2 to be fair.
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Polite Roffles is reminding me of that TL thread where everyone ended their name after the post. It was pretty obnoxious.
TSM,
GhandiEAGLE
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On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region.
The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA.
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On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM
I found the Belieber.
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On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA.
well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans.
Edit: using phone 2hard
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On September 12 2013 05:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:20 Redox wrote:
Region vs region discussions already becoming so annoying without anything happening. Wonder what happens when there are actual cross region games. I honestly fear I will have to avoid TL during worlds. why, region vs region is pretty much the easiest and best way to build hype for LOL ESPORTS hype and trashtalk and baseless speculation is the lifeblood of any competitive spectator event
This is pretty much spot on. I don't understand why people get so upset about debating hypothetical situations, it's part of being a spectator.
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On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM
But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz
On September 12 2013 05:35 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:20 Redox wrote:
Region vs region discussions already becoming so annoying without anything happening. Wonder what happens when there are actual cross region games. I honestly fear I will have to avoid TL during worlds. why, region vs region is pretty much the easiest and best way to build hype for LOL ESPORTS hype and trashtalk and baseless speculation is the lifeblood of any competitive spectator event This is pretty much spot on. I don't understand why people get so upset about debating hypothetical situations, it's part of being a spectator.
Probably cause deep down they know their own region is not favored and they don't have the Baylife mentality to show their favoritism anyway.
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On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. Well, even though I think that way, I'll admit that the regions haven't been close except for a short period of time. For the rest EU have pretty much curb stomped NA. The average EU scene is not significantly better than the NA scene. Top teams with in both regions have been somewhat in EU favored, but that was only in worlds of s2, when clg.eu and m5 were at their peak. It'd be like trying to say SEA as a region is better than NA, cuz TPA. Avg scene != success of top team in region. The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA.
Irsmedudeman,
Yes, while EU has dominated in the past, it is evident through the styles that EU's rotations are slow, while the vast majority of the top teams in NA have adapted to more of a heavy pressure style ala the Koreans.
EU still has many games where there's a lot of nothing going on, relatively stagnant all game. That's why teams like EG have fallen off the radar, simply because their style + S3 do not mesh well. EU has great midlaners, but that's relatively it. Their team play is really lackluster, and a majority of their plays come from the midlaner split pushing and making plays all over the map (See Gambit and Fnatic). EU right now does not have high caliber players at the support and AD positions, which will be a pain point when they face international competition.
NA will curbstomp EU because EU is behind the meta and do not have individually skilled players at positions other than mid. NA, while lacking individual skill, has better team synergy (see C9) and have slowly adapted to the playstyle that wins games.
Let me know if you think otherwise.
Thanks,
Roffles
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On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz
Itsmedudeman,
When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down Faker and show him who's boss. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally.
Best,
Roffles
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On September 12 2013 05:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM I found the Belieber.
New album featuring hit songs like:
As Long as you Camp Dyrus
Regi
If I Could Play Caitlyn, You'd Never Let Me Go
One Less Lonely Dragon
U Dive
Beauty and a Korea
And much more!
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On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down this Faker guy or whatever his name is. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles
Roffles,
Regi is a decent player. He is good at what he's good at.
We hate Regi because he's a tool. And his mouth is always hanging open.
Regards,
Soniv
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I'm a reginald fan. The guy is a modern day Steve Jobs.
Started from the bottom now we're here
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Also, I just want to say that most true TSM fans like Reginald, or at least respect the sheer amount of shit he does for TSM. The people who don't like him are the ones who just feed off of the drama that TSM lets out, and don't appreciate that Reginald is a good 50% of TSM. There's also some people who just like Dyrus and don't give a shit about anybody else, and while Dyrus is definitely my favorite player by a longshot, it's a team game and I acknowledge that Reginald is a key part of the team that I support.
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On September 12 2013 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down this Faker guy or whatever his name is. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles Roffles, Regi is a decent player. He is good at what he's good at. We hate Regi because he's a tool. And his mouth is always hanging open. Regards, Soniv
Soniv,
I'm glad that you understand. There are many people (not limited to just these forums) that have this ridiculous mindset that Reginald is a bad player and should be replaced by someone else. When TSM loses, it's because people like Xpecial and Dyrus do not listen and try to rebel, when in fact this is a team game and in order to maintain cohesion you must all be on the same page. Reginald has always been a strong player who has shown he can lead his team to victory. He may be a tool, but that tool is what keeps TSM together. Without that tool to tell the truth to his plebeian teammates, how would they succeed? Do you think OddOne is good enough to know where to gank and when? Do you think Dyrus is capable of calling the shots?
Absolutely not. Reginald is the glue that holds TSM together and has kept TSM relevant for the past 3+ years. Go over to teams like CLG and you'll see what happens when no one on that team is good enough to be a leader of a team.
Thanks,
Roffles
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Oh my Roffles is so proper now.
CSheep is now the uncouth half :O
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