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On September 12 2013 06:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:13 ketchup wrote:On September 12 2013 06:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 06:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:59 upperbound wrote:On September 12 2013 05:54 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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The scene was quite small back then. I don't think you should take in more than 3 teams if you wanna say who's better than who. M5 and CLG.EU were absolutely dominant back then. It's ridiculous the record they had against NA. well in that case. Taiwan > Korea. Go bears! Maul koreans. Edit: using phone 2hard The teams below TPA were like Dignitas level edit: no wait... worse.. And that's why I say there's a distinction between avg scene and the top teams in each scene. Wei2coolman, The average scene does not mean anything. When we talk about Koreans, do we talk about the SKTs and KTs or do we talk about the Najin Shields? When we talk about NA, do we talk about the Cloud9s and TSMs or do we talk about the Velocities and CLG? No one cares about the bad teams in each region. At an international level, it is always the best vs. the best. I don't care if everyone last season was bad in Taiwan. TPA was clearly the best team in the world. No one cares how good the bad teams and the average joes are. People only care about the cream of the crop. Regards, Roffles Dear Roffles, CLG won 4 games against TSM last season. How many games did Shield win against SKT and Frost? Best, Upper tsm is at all three seasons of worlds where's clg? Somewhere not getting stomped by international teams More like barely staying in LCS in a scene that everyone makes fun of. As much as people like to like CLG, I just want to point out the following: Their LCS performance was terrible. There's no other way to say this. Coast 1-3, Curse 1-3, and Cloud9 1-3. Seriously. They can beat neither the top or bottom teams consistently. The rest are all 2-2s. Their records suck, and their gameplay isn't any better. CLG suffers from it's own hype. They have been barely staying alive for the last two LCS Seasons. It's time to let the CLG hype die, and just root on individual players that you enjoy on the team. Hope they find a better team or create one of their own. Jiji was so close to doing exactly that. but... potential...
Hope and potential are the only thing that keep Neo going.
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On September 12 2013 06:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:21 ketchup wrote:On September 12 2013 06:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I think we've stopped overrating Doublelift by now, although I still would pick him as the best adc to have on my team from NA in an international event I think Sneaky has proven to be the type of AD that will work in the current season, and so should be regarded as NA's #1. I'm amazed his name doesn't come up more often when talking about NA ADs. I can't recall a time where sneaky was out of position while I can recall multiple times where doublelift, zuna, and wildturtle were. It's very easy to remember since it's always some stupidity. Doublelift's really good 1v2/ 1v3, but when he has his teammates around him, he forgets everything. It's a really interesting pattern. i think the complete opposite regardless of what sneaky is capable of, what he has shown is that he plays in a strat where his team doesnt focus farm onto him at all and he only becomes relevant because his team is always winning and therefore he's rolling in the objective gold in a game where c9 doesnt roll (ie, vs any asian team) he will become an underfed, useless adc c9's mentality of "sneaky does more with less" doesn't apply when they're losing cause in Na, sneaky's "less" is actually "more" cause c9 is always winning, and therefore c9 will get dumpstered when sneaky is actually working with "less"
Gotta agree. Comparing sneaky to the world class ADCs in asia... he has no chance. The asians play around their adcs and mids and no way can he keep up, especially with limited champion pools like ashe and varus. He's really not capable of carrying his team and relies on his team to do it for him. He really is more of a support adc.
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Sneaky is pretty much a eu style ad except he doesn't suck as hard.
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Hard to go up against the likes of Imp and more recently Piglet these days
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On September 12 2013 06:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 06:21 ketchup wrote:On September 12 2013 06:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I think we've stopped overrating Doublelift by now, although I still would pick him as the best adc to have on my team from NA in an international event I think Sneaky has proven to be the type of AD that will work in the current season, and so should be regarded as NA's #1. I'm amazed his name doesn't come up more often when talking about NA ADs. I can't recall a time where sneaky was out of position while I can recall multiple times where doublelift, zuna, and wildturtle were. It's very easy to remember since it's always some stupidity. Doublelift's really good 1v2/ 1v3, but when he has his teammates around him, he forgets everything. It's a really interesting pattern. i think the complete opposite regardless of what sneaky is capable of, what he has shown is that he plays in a strat where his team doesnt focus farm onto him at all and he only becomes relevant because his team is always winning and therefore he's rolling in the objective gold in a game where c9 doesnt roll (ie, vs any asian team) he will become an underfed, useless adc c9's mentality of "sneaky does more with less" doesn't apply when they're losing cause in Na, sneaky's "less" is actually "more" cause c9 is always winning, and therefore c9 will get dumpstered when sneaky is actually working with "less" Gotta agree. Comparing sneaky to the world class ADCs in asia... he has no chance. The asians play around their adcs and mids and no way can he keep up, especially with limited champion pools like ashe and varus. He's really not capable of carrying his team and relies on his team to do it for him. He really is more of a support adc.
You can accuse Sneaky of a lot of things, but limited champion pool is not one
He's played
Ashe
Varus
Twitch
Vayne
Jayce
Draven
Ezreal
Just in the summer split.
Sneaky plays support adcs because its the style of the team, not because hes some super limited player
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On September 12 2013 05:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. DID SOMEBODY SAY DELUSIONAL FANBOYS? + Show Spoiler + TSM has this in the bag, believe in the faith, Faker can't hold a candle to the new and improved Regi TSM TSM TSM But even TSM fanboys hate regi. It'd be more like DYRUS is their mid laner now and dyrus held his own at all stars so faker ezpz Itsmedudeman, When Reginald plays well, he is one of the top players in North America. He clearly was able to put his team on his back during the playoffs and they made a huge run, even upsetting a better team in Vulcun, who have probably the best midlaner in all of NA. Reginald is no joke. He is sometimes abrasive and can be an asshole in public, but his team admires him and he will take down Faker and show him who's boss. Reginald has always played well in international tournaments, it was always their weak bottom lane with Chaox or weak top laner in RainMan that have not allowed Reginald and TSM to taste success internationally. Best, Roffles
It's like Peter turned off the Doublelift... It's beautiful.
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Rekkles Phage on Caitlin <3
and shook is a god.
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sneaky was well known for his possibly-best-NA graves before he joined c9, i'm really surprised they never busted it out this split. perhaps we'll see it in worlds
if not, then props to showing how dedicated he was to learning new champs, because he literally *only* played graves before and he carried hard with him
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On September 12 2013 06:15 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 05:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. 'Historically... competitively close' Obviously talking about NA-EU. I'm just interested how EU mids will do against KR mids. that, my friend, is dumpstered for sure eu mids overrated + Show Spoiler + are you happy neo i was originally gonna just quote him and post "dumpstered" EU mids aren't overrated as much as NA adc though 
You will often hear "EU mids best in the world," even today.
Except for Dlift, no other NA ADCs were ever considered world-class, and nowadays Dlift is largely viewed as pedestrian compared to his Asian peers.
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On September 12 2013 06:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:15 Lylat wrote:On September 12 2013 05:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. 'Historically... competitively close' Obviously talking about NA-EU. I'm just interested how EU mids will do against KR mids. that, my friend, is dumpstered for sure eu mids overrated + Show Spoiler + are you happy neo i was originally gonna just quote him and post "dumpstered" EU mids aren't overrated as much as NA adc though I think we've stopped overrating Doublelift by now, although I still would pick him as the best adc to have on my team from NA in an international event
Then please explain to me why NA adc are so highly rated compared to EU ones ? I don't see how Creaton, Tabzz or even Freeze are inferior to their NA counterparts ? Maybe I'm biased but :
- Sneaky : while really good I've never been impressed by his play
- Zuna : No comment
- Wildturtle : He played really well when he joined TSM, but his play has been underwhelming this season
- DL : last time he impressed me was at All Star
- Qtpie : too inconsistent
- Cop : has improved but still not a great player
Did I forgot someone ?
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Just want to add that Wildturtle was a huge part of TSM's success in the playoffs, and in the days leading up to it. Also Sneaky hasn't gotten a chance to show him whether he can carry or not, so we really have to reserve judgement until Worlds on him (imo)
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On September 12 2013 06:37 gtrsrs wrote:
sneaky was well known for his possibly-best-NA graves before he joined c9, i'm really surprised they never busted it out this split. perhaps we'll see it in worlds
if not, then props to showing how dedicated he was to learning new champs, because he literally *only* played graves before and he carried hard with him
Well, it has to help that he is free to play whatever he wants since his teammates are very strong at their own roles within NA LCS. I'm very hyped for the world stage to see how well these NA teams do there. With c9, I am really curious to see if they change up their current strategy/gold allocation. I would also like to see if they can keep up with the other regions. If they do, I have some hope of NA not becoming "extinct" in the global stage. If they don't, I am sincerely fearful for the region as a whole. I don't know what will happen, but I'd rather see NA teams performing well at Worlds.
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Zuna best player. He makes Vulcun games entertaining
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On September 12 2013 06:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:21 ketchup wrote:On September 12 2013 06:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I think we've stopped overrating Doublelift by now, although I still would pick him as the best adc to have on my team from NA in an international event I think Sneaky has proven to be the type of AD that will work in the current season, and so should be regarded as NA's #1. I'm amazed his name doesn't come up more often when talking about NA ADs. I can't recall a time where sneaky was out of position while I can recall multiple times where doublelift, zuna, and wildturtle were. It's very easy to remember since it's always some stupidity. Doublelift's really good 1v2/ 1v3, but when he has his teammates around him, he forgets everything. It's a really interesting pattern. i think the complete opposite regardless of what sneaky is capable of, what he has shown is that he plays in a strat where his team doesnt focus farm onto him at all and he only becomes relevant because his team is always winning and therefore he's rolling in the objective gold in a game where c9 doesnt roll (ie, vs any asian team) he will become an underfed, useless adc c9's mentality of "sneaky does more with less" doesn't apply when they're losing cause in Na, sneaky's "less" is actually "more" cause c9 is always winning, and therefore c9 will get dumpstered when sneaky is actually working with "less"
Pretty much this. It also shows how much confidence they have in him when he pretty much gets 3rd or 4th farm allocation. If he really was the best NA adc. You'd damn well bet c9 would give him far more farm.
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On September 12 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 12 2013 06:15 Lylat wrote:On September 12 2013 05:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:14 Roffles wrote:On September 12 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 05:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I honestly think NA could definitely beat EU. C9 especially but they aren't in the group stages. Pretty much no doubt in my mind that C9's rotations are better than anyone in Europe and the Europeans don't really have a style to make up for it besides their mids just being good. They're predictable in comparison to China and KR. It's one thing to say a team is better than another, it's another to claim a region will 'dumpster' on another region. Especially when historically the regions have been competitively close. wei2coolman Plz. KR will dumpster on NA and EU. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it too, except for delusional fanboys. 'Historically... competitively close' Obviously talking about NA-EU. I'm just interested how EU mids will do against KR mids. that, my friend, is dumpstered for sure eu mids overrated + Show Spoiler + are you happy neo i was originally gonna just quote him and post "dumpstered" EU mids aren't overrated as much as NA adc though I think we've stopped overrating Doublelift by now, although I still would pick him as the best adc to have on my team from NA in an international event Then please explain to me why NA adc are so highly rated compared to EU ones ? I don't see how Creaton, Tabzz or even Freeze are inferior to their NA counterparts ? Maybe I'm biased but : - Sneaky : while really good I've never been impressed by his play - Zuna : No comment - Wildturtle : He played really well when he joined TSM, but his play has been underwhelming this season - DL : last time he impressed me was at All Star - Qtpie : too inconsistent - Cop : has improved but still not a great player Did I forgot someone ?
#freebrunchu
#robertxleeissubforvulcunwtfbbqiszunastilldoingonroster
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On September 12 2013 06:15 red_ wrote:Once upon a time I was informed by members of an LR thread that BW'ers referred to MVP as 'magikarp.' My whole life has been a lie.
who the hell is magikarp terran. i only know the hollywood fishiking
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On September 12 2013 06:54 wei2coolman wrote:If he really was the best NA adc. You'd damn well bet c9 would give him far more farm.
So he can be off splitpushing while they get 5v4ed ala CLG? Apples and oranges in my opinion.
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On September 12 2013 07:00 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:54 wei2coolman wrote:If he really was the best NA adc. You'd damn well bet c9 would give him far more farm. So he can be off splitpushing while they get 5v4ed ala CLG? Apples and oranges in my opinion.
Blaze does the same thing minus the whole getting caught out 4v5.
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On September 12 2013 06:59 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 06:15 red_ wrote:On September 12 2013 05:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 12 2013 05:51 red_ wrote:
. The one great Magikarp terran(Mvp) ldsif uasdljfsdl fjas lskdjflj lkj lkj lskdjfoisdufioudjfiodfk ?????????????????????????????? red_ PLEASE PLS http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/205_HiyA Once upon a time I was informed by members of an LR thread that BW'ers referred to MVP as 'magikarp.' My whole life has been a lie. who the hell is magikarp terran. i only know the hollywood fishiking
he opens his mouth conspicuously while playing, and this makes him look like a magikarp
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