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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 11 2013 18:43 GMT
#2061
On September 12 2013 03:39 SHr3DD3r wrote:
He is bronze with 1500+ games played.

and 900 of them are with Teemo

I wonder what he spends his IP on O.o
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 11 2013 18:43 GMT
#2062
This is like, the first time some legitimate discussion has spawned as the product of the standard Shikyo (not in any way)subtle brag. A bright future is ahead of us friends!
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 18:53:31
September 11 2013 18:48 GMT
#2063
About Teemo, went up with a theory when I noticed how chubby he is. It makes people mistake fed champs for Teemo, activating the global taunt and explaining why there are always some poor saps who try to 1v1 fed junglers/opposing laners and rage when they die (because Teemo also makes people rage).
Next step is to force the badger to take on a diet so players can become smarter.

On September 12 2013 03:18 Shikyo wrote:
Um again, the reason why Fiora doesn't really care about autoharrass is first of all because of Riposte and her heal. Second, because she can turn on you.

Oh snap, that 10s Riposte will wreck me so hard! I won't outdamage it with my next auto at all!
And Lunge so OP, clearly I can't auto-harass while it's on cooldown nor cc her as she dives to make her take minion ag- oh wait.
And if she dives me every time it's up and I auto her she won't ever get baited and ganked through a predictable pattern.

If I followed your logic Irelia would 100% wreck Vlad every time all the time because every time he casts I can just jump him and sustain with Hiten, and he'd never be able to prevent all-ins with Pool. Turns out it's considered a skill match-up.

I don't mean to say that Fiora doesn't wreck a bunch of squishy mids without escape, but she's not the invulnerable monster you pretend she is.

Her passive is stronger in trades anyway, Q auto Q auto at level 1 charges it instantly while giving a pretty nice burst.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 11 2013 18:50 GMT
#2064
Problem with bruisers mid is how dangerous it is to harass the other player unless you always know where the jungler is. Just going in whenever you can is an easy way to get first blooded.

Also, annie doesn't do that well against kassadin... You outrange annie with your q so if you play it right you can harass/silence her and take cs. I mean, obviously you don't win that matchup pre 6 but there are so many worse matchups than that that ends up working anyway... orianna for one.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 11 2013 18:51 GMT
#2065
On September 12 2013 03:43 red_ wrote:
This is like, the first time some legitimate discussion has spawned as the product of the standard Shikyo (not in any way)subtle brag. A bright future is ahead of us friends!

Grudge match, please.

Soniv vs. Shikyo, 1v1, casted by Wave+Red.

Gogogogo
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 11 2013 18:52 GMT
#2066
On September 12 2013 03:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also, annie doesn't do that well against kassadin... You outrange annie with your q so if you play it right you can harass/silence her and take cs. I mean, obviously you don't win that matchup pre 6 but there are so many worse matchups than that that ends up working anyway... orianna for one.

It was close-ish when your Q had enough of a range advantage to be useful. I think Annie should be able to bully him after the range change, because your Q projectile isn't fast enough for your Q to hit before she Qs you.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 18:55:30
September 11 2013 18:53 GMT
#2067
Why are we arguing about Fiora's 1v1 against people? Pretty sure ganking the hell out of her is a good strategy too, considering she has pretty much 0 escape. Always been her problem really.

ninja'd
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 11 2013 18:57 GMT
#2068
On September 12 2013 03:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 03:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also, annie doesn't do that well against kassadin... You outrange annie with your q so if you play it right you can harass/silence her and take cs. I mean, obviously you don't win that matchup pre 6 but there are so many worse matchups than that that ends up working anyway... orianna for one.

It was close-ish when your Q had enough of a range advantage to be useful. I think Annie should be able to bully him after the range change, because your Q projectile isn't fast enough for your Q to hit before she Qs you.

I don't think she can bully him the same way others can. Better than champions like leblanc and ahri sure... but with a flask start I don't think it's significant enough to bully kassadin hard enough. Kassadin's Q trades well enough with annie so she can't really start dorans 2 pots against flask + 3 pots. At 6 it's with blue it's a pretty easy matchup for kassadin.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 11 2013 18:59 GMT
#2069
Again, that depends on how she plays the lane. Q-for-Q it doesn't trade well for Annie, but Annie's Q comes up twice in the time Kassadin's Q takes to come off CD.

A LOT of people think Annie is more dependent on her stun to trade than she actually is.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 11 2013 19:03 GMT
#2070
On September 12 2013 03:20 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 03:12 nosliw wrote:
On September 12 2013 03:01 Numy wrote:
On September 12 2013 02:57 Amui wrote:
IMO annie wins.

Don't take a skill at level 1 until you figure out what fiora got. Play aggressively and auto, and force her out of the creep wave. If she goes on you with Q, skill E and use it, if she ripostes, level Q and continue whaling on her. Fiora should basically never see a CS for the first couple of waves.

See Faker vs Roar(ori vs Zed) for the general idea of how to play the matchup.


Fakers lane control was so pristine that was amazing. I don't think a lot of people can zone that well in mid without pushing the wave or eating a lot of creep autos.

Any Videos on that? I only find Faker vs Ryu (zed vs zed) What game are you talking about?


http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk2NDI3MTA4.html

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 03:18 Shikyo wrote:
Um again, the reason why Fiora doesn't really care about autoharrass is first of all because of Riposte and her heal. Second, because she can turn on you.


You either have riposte, or you have Q. Riposte is once per 10s, and if annie levels Q in response, you'll get outtraded hard by a skill that hits harder on a (much) lower CD. If you level Q, and she levels E, once again, you lose. Annie doesn't have to skill a single thing until you've shown your first skill.

Also the heal is a really, really pathetic excuse for losing a trade by hundreds of HP

to be fair with doran shield and riposte i can see AA not doing much in this matchup
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 11 2013 19:06 GMT
#2071
On September 12 2013 03:59 TheYango wrote:
Again, that depends on how she plays the lane. Q-for-Q it doesn't trade well for Annie, but Annie's Q comes up twice in the time Kassadin's Q takes to come off CD.

A LOT of people think Annie is more dependent on her stun to trade than she actually is.

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be "worth it" to take a losing trade with Annie's stun on purpose, just to see if the guy will try to retaliate if you aggro him again before he gets his stun back up. So much free damage if he thinks he can't play aggro w/o stun.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 11 2013 19:10 GMT
#2072
Can someone explain this placeholder stuff, almost every match I've seen in EUW challenger the match got delayed because someone took one champ to placeholder for another. Like wolves just 3rd picked cassio as a placeholder for corki.
Glorious SEA doto
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 11 2013 19:10 GMT
#2073
the guy just doesn't have corki but they wanted to pick it during that pickrotation.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
September 11 2013 19:16 GMT
#2074
On September 12 2013 03:27 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Found a funny profile:
Nice runes/cs

Tough one

It's like the tirforce of rune pages, a little bit of everything.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
September 11 2013 19:27 GMT
#2075
On September 12 2013 04:10 Fusilero wrote:
Can someone explain this placeholder stuff, almost every match I've seen in EUW challenger the match got delayed because someone took one champ to placeholder for another. Like wolves just 3rd picked cassio as a placeholder for corki.

They want to pick corki with their 3rd pick but whoever is 3rd pick doesnt have corki so they picked some other character to be the "filler" and its generally a champ that isnt likely to get picked
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
September 11 2013 19:28 GMT
#2076
On September 12 2013 04:16 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 03:27 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Found a funny profile:
Nice runes/cs

Tough one

It's like the tirforce of rune pages, a little bit of everything.


That rune page is OP, it's like you start lvl 2 at lvl 1 with all those stats. Gonna be the new meta soon.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 11 2013 19:31 GMT
#2077
Well this is interesting, czaru has started blade on ori vs kassadin. What do people think of that.
Glorious SEA doto
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
September 11 2013 19:32 GMT
#2078
On September 12 2013 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
Well this is interesting, czaru has started blade on ori vs kassadin. What do people think of that.


loleurope

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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 11 2013 19:32 GMT
#2079
On September 12 2013 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
Well this is interesting, czaru has started blade on ori vs kassadin. What do people think of that.


Sounds hilariously abusive. Kass can't do much except Q without taking a whole butt ton of damage. If he tries to counter harass, he'll miss out on farm while Ori doesn't really care much (especially if Ori is maxing E).
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 11 2013 19:34 GMT
#2080
On September 12 2013 04:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 04:31 Fusilero wrote:
Well this is interesting, czaru has started blade on ori vs kassadin. What do people think of that.


Sounds hilariously abusive. Kass can't do much except Q without taking a whole butt ton of damage. If he tries to counter harass, he'll miss out on farm while Ori doesn't really care much (especially if Ori is maxing E).


Don't really need to max E.

E at level 1 would allow you to auto for free, and take zero damage until kass hits 3.
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