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[Patch 3.10a: Worlds Balance] General Discussion - Page 114
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
stop raining on my parade i believe in the maturity that is TL LoL | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:38 kainzero wrote: We did have the Wildcat Offense 2/3 years ago, and last year the QB Read Option. I just think that things happen in the meta that need time to be worked out. For example, Ahri is seeing a lot more play recently and she hasn't been touched for a year. Oh well, I don't want to get into another patching cycle argument. I'm not saying things don't change, there are always new trends in the sport, but you don't get cases where bad teams can win more games than they are supposed to because they have found one thing that's really strong (at least not usually). Agreed though, we have this debate a lot as is lol. On August 31 2013 03:38 Ryuu314 wrote: stop raining on my parade i believe in the maturity that is TL LoL I take solace in the fact we are better than a lot of outlets. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote: It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings. again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
At least....back in the day.  | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:16 xes wrote: I'd say cookie cutter meta signifies just the beginning of understanding the state of a patch game. The general path for learning something new (especially that refutes earlier assumptions) is Denial/Confusion -> Imitation -> Understanding. This. I would argue that Riot has rarely, if ever, allowed the game to pass the second stage before patching the game and starting people at square 1 again. On August 31 2013 03:36 ExoFun wrote: The core values still stand in the 3.10a only the toxic style of play (in champions) are out of it or isnt toxic any more. They didnt make the nerfs so bad that it wasnt anymore viable. I love the absolute certainty with which people say this as if you're some Nostradamus who can instantly understand the implications of the patch without ever seeing a single tournament played on it. If you have that kind of foresight you should be coaching professional teams. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 31 2013 02:38 Alaric wrote: LoLReplay doesn't work for me, recorded my last game, and whenever I try to watch it it crashes after 20 seconds or so, with the "unable to load spectator data" pop-up. I just updated it and only recorded that one, it also only gives me the name, date and duration of the replay, but no champion portrait or stats or even the map picture. Is that a common issue? Considering people post stuff in the 5HIT replay thread I thought it'd have been fixed since the last time. The portrait issue is the same for me but most of my games load. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it how old are you that you think someone "deserving it" is a valid reason to insult and bully people? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:53 TheYango wrote: This. I would argue that Riot has rarely, if ever, allowed the game to pass the second stage before patching the game and starting people at square 1 again. I love the absolute certainty with which people say this as if you're some Nostradamus who can instantly understand the implications of the patch without ever seeing a single tournament played on it. If you have that kind of foresight you should be coaching professional teams. So you need tourney's on a patch to have a good tourney? as i said earlier in the post the core value's of 3.10 have stayed the same. Only the negative effects that arnt intended are taken out in 3.10a. So easy to react to only a little part of my post  ."no toxic" in the 3.10 zac? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:00 onlywonderboy wrote: The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults. Yea, I honestly think Roffle's banned post was kinda out of line. I'm all for calling people out harshly when they say/do stupid shit, but that was just random hate. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote: Come to think of it 3.10 itself wasn't even out long enough for you to call any champion or style of play in it toxic. 3 weeks is not even close enough to enough time to determine that. Also since 3.10a isn't being played currently on tournaments and its so close to worlds you might still see the exact same style regardless of the changes due to teams being more comfortable with it. People just love to deal in absolutes when the world is anything but absolute. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:00 onlywonderboy wrote: The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults. I mean......okay how many people actually know Roffles well? I feel like the reason Roffles is so offputting and people think he's just a flaming dick don't really know the guy. It's understandable that you don't, but as someone who has been with Roffles for a while now and has been on the receiving end of his insults, I really don't see the pain and misery everyone is talking about here. There's really no need to take something like this so personally with someone like Roffles. Like.....are we for real right now? Yes, Roffles is a dick. Ye he can throw out insults left and right with no thought of the consequences, but frankly, I feel like most people here haven't even seen the worst of it, and that's just based on the post you guys are complaining about. Back in the day, no one would get banned for this shit. lol | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:01 ExoFun wrote: So you need tourney's on a patch to have a good tourney? as i said earlier in the post the core value's of 3.10 have stayed the same. Only the negative effects that arnt intended are taken out in 3.10a. So easy to react to only a little part of my post .I'm saying that to make any judgment about whether the patch affects the game for better or worst at the highest level of play, you have to see it played. It could be that the Triforce buffs rocket one or more Triforce users into being an even more degenerate presence than Zac was. It could be that the buffs don't affect Zac at all and he's still as degenerate as before. Maybe not, but I guarantee you your understanding of the game is not good enough to judge that with any amount of certainty without ever seeing a tournament game played on this patch. AND I guarantee nobody at Riot has that good of an understanding of the game either. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote: Come to think of it 3.10 itself wasn't even out long enough for you to call any champion or style of play in it toxic. 3 weeks is not even close enough to enough time to determine that. I dunno, I feel pretty comfortable commenting that Zac with a spirit visage is out of line at this point on 3.10. I agree with your point about patch timings though. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it Which would be fine if he replied to specific posts with specific criticism, but just going "That's stupid. You know what else is stupid? That guy!" every post isn't calling anyone out and it isn't constructive. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think there's a clear difference between replying to someone saying "that idea is retarded" (calling out harshly), or just randomly calling somebody retarded every chance you get (random douchebaggery), regardless of whether he is even in the conversation or it has any relation to the subject. The latter only breeds more hate. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:04 TheYango wrote: I'm saying that to make any judgment about whether the patch affects the game for better or worst at the highest level of play, you have to see it played. It could be that the Triforce buffs rocket one or more Triforce users into being an even more degenerate presence than Zac was. It could be that the buffs don't affect Zac at all and he's still as degenerate as before. Maybe not, but I guarantee you your understanding of the game is not good enough to judge that with any amount of certainty without ever seeing a tournament game played on this patch. AND I guarantee nobody at Riot has that good of an understanding of the game either. Why else would they make a statement in patch 3.10a that they wanna balance for World Finals and make it a " A" type of patch? "Hey Summoners! With our focus on stability for patches leading up to the World Finals, we’ve decided to split our next update into a few parts in order to mitigate risk. As such, this patch is titled 3.10a due to the nature of its deploy (as it contains only balance and design changes)." It was pretty sure from feedback from the players that there was a needed change for Zac( esp EU side, but you can also see the KR games that Zac is stupidly OP esp 3.10). The TF change isnt really a that kind of big a change vs Zac (infinite sustain) | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:01 Ryuu314 wrote: Yea, I honestly think Roffle's banned post was kinda out of line. I'm all for calling people out harshly when they say/do stupid shit, but that was just random hate. it's to make up for all those time where PX said something dumb and didn't get called out cause people were too terrified of being banned or want to pretend to be nice or some shit huehue On August 31 2013 03:57 chalice wrote: how old are you that you think someone "deserving it" is a valid reason to insult and bully people? when you go around saying dumb shit 24/7, you get called dumb. it kinda works like that. it's not bullying, it's calling it like it is. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
Somebody Called in the Cavalry! ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Flickr_-_The_U.S._Army_-_'cavalry_charge'.jpg) First off, bad ideas should rightly be called bad ideas. This is the internet, you come on here with the assumption that you are just as equally worthless as every other person on the internet. And if you happen to be slightly below the bellcurve, it is a disservice to you and to society in general to not inform you of your wrongful actions, and how to guide you on the right path. Secondly, there's this thing we have in the world, called "earning your stripes." If you want to make any points, you need to do so through one of three ways: Being a known expert Showing (not telling) it to others Having data Since most people have forgotten the ways of Caller, WRAWRAWRA, and other fallen legends of legumes, I evidently have to tell you that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't say it. Can you imagine a convention of scientists ever achieving anything if any 2-bit can make as long of a speech as an esteemed scientist? But saying only experienced people can contribute is wrong as well. Many experienced players are really bad. I know for certain: I was one of 'em. That's where the next point, Showing it to others, comes in. If you can't show (in game, in life, etc.) why your idea is awesome to other people, then you really need to consider both whether or not your idea was a good idea, and also how you intend to get anywhere in life. Even then, though, you don't need to physically do it. As long as you have data, and argue in the correct parameters that the data is useful in. GOOD: "Armor/level is good for late game because in late game, you get more armor than you would with flat runes" BAD: "Armor/level is good for late game because I have a big ego and think my ideas are better than anybody else's." GOOD: "Historically, European teams tend to be more cohesive than North American teams because they share a common culture, language, and timezone. Here's data that proves it. Exhibit A: HotshotGG." BAD: "Europeans are so much better than North Americans. I would know, I'm European." This has been a Public Service Announcement. | ||
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