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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 30 2013 18:38 GMT
#2261
On August 31 2013 03:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think Riot should just announce what patch Worlds will be played on so people can stop speculating/whining OR starting QQing at Riot to get things done right.

Nothing will ever stop that

stop raining on my parade

i believe in the maturity that is TL LoL
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 18:42:12
August 30 2013 18:41 GMT
#2262
On August 31 2013 03:38 kainzero wrote:
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On August 31 2013 02:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 31 2013 02:17 kainzero wrote:
On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal.

You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing.

Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator.

Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now.

On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?

Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods.

Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for.

I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3.

What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules.

This is one of the cases where you can't really draw a direct comparison to traditional sports. You don't have a case in the NFL where you suddenly realize a certain passing play is OP and almost impossible to deal with. This patch is too close to Worlds but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with patches during the season.

We did have the Wildcat Offense 2/3 years ago, and last year the QB Read Option.
I just think that things happen in the meta that need time to be worked out. For example, Ahri is seeing a lot more play recently and she hasn't been touched for a year.

Oh well, I don't want to get into another patching cycle argument.

I'm not saying things don't change, there are always new trends in the sport, but you don't get cases where bad teams can win more games than they are supposed to because they have found one thing that's really strong (at least not usually). Agreed though, we have this debate a lot as is lol.
On August 31 2013 03:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think Riot should just announce what patch Worlds will be played on so people can stop speculating/whining OR starting QQing at Riot to get things done right.

Nothing will ever stop that

stop raining on my parade

i believe in the maturity that is TL LoL

I take solace in the fact we are better than a lot of outlets.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 30 2013 18:41 GMT
#2263
Seems like no matter what discussion happens in TL LoL there will always be people complaining. Should just lock the thread that way there will never be any "inappropriate" discussion.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 30 2013 18:45 GMT
#2264
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
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On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 30 2013 18:53 GMT
#2265
I just want to point out that what Roffles said was nowhere close to banworthy.

At least....back in the day.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 18:59:03
August 30 2013 18:53 GMT
#2266
On August 31 2013 03:16 xes wrote:
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On August 31 2013 02:59 Osmoses wrote:
Mastery of a patch usually means cookie cutting the meta, I much prefer seeing a new champ in the lineup than yet another expertly played Zed.

I'd say cookie cutter meta signifies just the beginning of understanding the state of a patch game.

The general path for learning something new (especially that refutes earlier assumptions) is Denial/Confusion -> Imitation -> Understanding.

This.

I would argue that Riot has rarely, if ever, allowed the game to pass the second stage before patching the game and starting people at square 1 again.

On August 31 2013 03:36 ExoFun wrote:
The core values still stand in the 3.10a only the toxic style of play (in champions) are out of it or isnt toxic any more. They didnt make the nerfs so bad that it wasnt anymore viable.

I love the absolute certainty with which people say this as if you're some Nostradamus who can instantly understand the implications of the patch without ever seeing a single tournament played on it.

If you have that kind of foresight you should be coaching professional teams.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 30 2013 18:55 GMT
#2267
On August 31 2013 02:38 Alaric wrote:
LoLReplay doesn't work for me, recorded my last game, and whenever I try to watch it it crashes after 20 seconds or so, with the "unable to load spectator data" pop-up. I just updated it and only recorded that one, it also only gives me the name, date and duration of the replay, but no champion portrait or stats or even the map picture.

Is that a common issue? Considering people post stuff in the 5HIT replay thread I thought it'd have been fixed since the last time.

The portrait issue is the same for me but most of my games load.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
August 30 2013 18:57 GMT
#2268
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

how old are you that you think someone "deserving it" is a valid reason to insult and bully people?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2013 19:00 GMT
#2269
Come to think of it 3.10 itself wasn't even out long enough for you to call any champion or style of play in it toxic. 3 weeks is not even close enough to enough time to determine that.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 30 2013 19:00 GMT
#2270
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 19:02:43
August 30 2013 19:01 GMT
#2271
On August 31 2013 03:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:16 xes wrote:
On August 31 2013 02:59 Osmoses wrote:
Mastery of a patch usually means cookie cutting the meta, I much prefer seeing a new champ in the lineup than yet another expertly played Zed.

I'd say cookie cutter meta signifies just the beginning of understanding the state of a patch game.

The general path for learning something new (especially that refutes earlier assumptions) is Denial/Confusion -> Imitation -> Understanding.

This.

I would argue that Riot has rarely, if ever, allowed the game to pass the second stage before patching the game and starting people at square 1 again.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:36 ExoFun wrote:
The core values still stand in the 3.10a only the toxic style of play (in champions) are out of it or isnt toxic any more. They didnt make the nerfs so bad that it wasnt anymore viable.

I love the absolute certainty with which people say this as if you're some Nostradamus who can instantly understand the implications of the patch without ever seeing a single tournament played on it.

If you have that kind of foresight you should be coaching professional teams.

So you need tourney's on a patch to have a good tourney? as i said earlier in the post the core value's of 3.10 have stayed the same. Only the negative effects that arnt intended are taken out in 3.10a. So easy to react to only a little part of my post .


"no toxic" in the 3.10 zac?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 30 2013 19:01 GMT
#2272
On August 31 2013 04:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults.

Yea, I honestly think Roffle's banned post was kinda out of line. I'm all for calling people out harshly when they say/do stupid shit, but that was just random hate.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 30 2013 19:02 GMT
#2273
On August 31 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
Come to think of it 3.10 itself wasn't even out long enough for you to call any champion or style of play in it toxic. 3 weeks is not even close enough to enough time to determine that.


Also since 3.10a isn't being played currently on tournaments and its so close to worlds you might still see the exact same style regardless of the changes due to teams being more comfortable with it. People just love to deal in absolutes when the world is anything but absolute.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 19:04:13
August 30 2013 19:02 GMT
#2274
On August 31 2013 04:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults.


I mean......okay how many people actually know Roffles well? I feel like the reason Roffles is so offputting and people think he's just a flaming dick don't really know the guy. It's understandable that you don't, but as someone who has been with Roffles for a while now and has been on the receiving end of his insults, I really don't see the pain and misery everyone is talking about here. There's really no need to take something like this so personally with someone like Roffles.

Like.....are we for real right now?

Yes, Roffles is a dick. Ye he can throw out insults left and right with no thought of the consequences, but frankly, I feel like most people here haven't even seen the worst of it, and that's just based on the post you guys are complaining about. Back in the day, no one would get banned for this shit. lol
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2013 19:04 GMT
#2275
On August 31 2013 04:01 ExoFun wrote:
So you need tourney's on a patch to have a good tourney? as i said earlier in the post the core value's of 3.10 have stayed the same. Only the negative effects that arnt intended are taken out in 3.10a. So easy to react to only a little part of my post .

I'm saying that to make any judgment about whether the patch affects the game for better or worst at the highest level of play, you have to see it played.

It could be that the Triforce buffs rocket one or more Triforce users into being an even more degenerate presence than Zac was. It could be that the buffs don't affect Zac at all and he's still as degenerate as before. Maybe not, but I guarantee you your understanding of the game is not good enough to judge that with any amount of certainty without ever seeing a tournament game played on this patch. AND I guarantee nobody at Riot has that good of an understanding of the game either.
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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
August 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#2276
On August 31 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
Come to think of it 3.10 itself wasn't even out long enough for you to call any champion or style of play in it toxic. 3 weeks is not even close enough to enough time to determine that.

I dunno, I feel pretty comfortable commenting that Zac with a spirit visage is out of line at this point on 3.10. I agree with your point about patch timings though.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 19:09:23
August 30 2013 19:08 GMT
#2277
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

Which would be fine if he replied to specific posts with specific criticism, but just going "That's stupid. You know what else is stupid? That guy!" every post isn't calling anyone out and it isn't constructive.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think there's a clear difference between replying to someone saying "that idea is retarded" (calling out harshly), or just randomly calling somebody retarded every chance you get (random douchebaggery), regardless of whether he is even in the conversation or it has any relation to the subject.

The latter only breeds more hate.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 19:10:37
August 30 2013 19:09 GMT
#2278
On August 31 2013 04:04 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:01 ExoFun wrote:
So you need tourney's on a patch to have a good tourney? as i said earlier in the post the core value's of 3.10 have stayed the same. Only the negative effects that arnt intended are taken out in 3.10a. So easy to react to only a little part of my post .

I'm saying that to make any judgment about whether the patch affects the game for better or worst at the highest level of play, you have to see it played.

It could be that the Triforce buffs rocket one or more Triforce users into being an even more degenerate presence than Zac was. It could be that the buffs don't affect Zac at all and he's still as degenerate as before. Maybe not, but I guarantee you your understanding of the game is not good enough to judge that with any amount of certainty without ever seeing a tournament game played on this patch. AND I guarantee nobody at Riot has that good of an understanding of the game either.


Why else would they make a statement in patch 3.10a that they wanna balance for World Finals and make it a " A" type of patch?

"Hey Summoners!
With our focus on stability for patches leading up to the World Finals, we’ve decided to split our next update into a few parts in order to mitigate risk. As such, this patch is titled 3.10a due to the nature of its deploy (as it contains only balance and design changes)."

It was pretty sure from feedback from the players that there was a needed change for Zac( esp EU side, but you can also see the KR games that Zac is stupidly OP esp 3.10).

The TF change isnt really a that kind of big a change vs Zac (infinite sustain)
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 30 2013 19:09 GMT
#2279
On August 31 2013 04:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

The post he got banned for had him calling PX's theorycrafting shit out of no where. Shutting him down is one thing but that was devolving to the point of random insults.

Yea, I honestly think Roffle's banned post was kinda out of line. I'm all for calling people out harshly when they say/do stupid shit, but that was just random hate.


it's to make up for all those time where PX said something dumb and didn't get called out cause people were too terrified of being banned or want to pretend to be nice or some shit huehue

On August 31 2013 03:57 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 31 2013 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 30 2013 22:16 The_Unseen wrote:
So Roffles basically has an immunity? Do you guys have the slightest idea of the impression his never-punished-streams-of-insults give to us lurkers and semi-lurkers? :/


from my experience with Roffles during the last 3 years in the KMD & Lol Subforum he never called out someone who doesn't deserve it and I always had the impression that the majority agreed his "victim's" posts were shitty most of the time.

He is just more blunt and direct than others.


^pretty much this

also roffles has done more for tl than 90% of this forum put together so he get leeway as per ten commandments policy

it's really fucking dumb seeing roffles pretty much saying what most people are thinking and getting banned while other shit posters get to keep shit posting

it should at least go two ways like last time when they both got banned zz

It would be nice if 90% of his posts weren't drive by douchings.


again, the people he calls out are always people whom we've tried reasoning with and it's obvious that has gotten nowhere

roffles is never a dick to people for no reason, they always deserve it

how old are you that you think someone "deserving it" is a valid reason to insult and bully people?


when you go around saying dumb shit 24/7, you get called dumb. it kinda works like that. it's not bullying, it's calling it like it is.
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August 30 2013 19:12 GMT
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First off, bad ideas should rightly be called bad ideas. This is the internet, you come on here with the assumption that you are just as equally worthless as every other person on the internet. And if you happen to be slightly below the bellcurve, it is a disservice to you and to society in general to not inform you of your wrongful actions, and how to guide you on the right path.

Secondly, there's this thing we have in the world, called "earning your stripes." If you want to make any points, you need to do so through one of three ways:

Being a known expert
Showing (not telling) it to others
Having data

Since most people have forgotten the ways of Caller, WRAWRAWRA, and other fallen legends of legumes, I evidently have to tell you that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't say it. Can you imagine a convention of scientists ever achieving anything if any 2-bit can make as long of a speech as an esteemed scientist?

But saying only experienced people can contribute is wrong as well. Many experienced players are really bad. I know for certain: I was one of 'em. That's where the next point, Showing it to others, comes in. If you can't show (in game, in life, etc.) why your idea is awesome to other people, then you really need to consider both whether or not your idea was a good idea, and also how you intend to get anywhere in life.

Even then, though, you don't need to physically do it. As long as you have data, and argue in the correct parameters that the data is useful in.

GOOD: "Armor/level is good for late game because in late game, you get more armor than you would with flat runes"
BAD: "Armor/level is good for late game because I have a big ego and think my ideas are better than anybody else's."

GOOD: "Historically, European teams tend to be more cohesive than North American teams because they share a common culture, language, and timezone. Here's data that proves it. Exhibit A: HotshotGG."
BAD: "Europeans are so much better than North Americans. I would know, I'm European."

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