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On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal.
SV and Botrk nerfs, huge change to phage and Triforce, and tweaks to the two most common top laners for the current metagame are pretty big changes.
Maybe World's will just be played on 3.10 anyways.
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On August 31 2013 01:54 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. SV and Botrk nerfs, huge change to phage and Triforce, and tweaks to the two most common top laners for the current metagame are pretty big changes. Maybe World's will just be played on 3.10 anyways.
Damage / resilience changes are particularly tricky for top players to adapt to because you "have to completely relearn your limits" and such reasons.
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On August 31 2013 01:40 TheYango wrote:
I mean, it's not like the other regions got to practice the patch because every Regionals is still on 3.10 anyway.
The patch was just a stupid idea this close to Worlds.
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods.
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On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal.
You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing.
Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator.
Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now.
On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods.
Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for.
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Nothing will ever beat the SC2 patch before MLG DC 2010. That shit was amazing. Literally 0 players had warm up computers, and EVERYONE was on the plane when the patch hit. All the players get to DC and are like "WTF I heard there is a patch? Is it a big one?"
Yes, yes it was.
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On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing. Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator. Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods. Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for.
I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3.
What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules.
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Well the patch at least had roughly 2 months I think between TI3 and some tournaments inbetween.
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someones gonna bust out new triforce poppy and kill everyone.
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On August 31 2013 02:22 LaNague wrote:
someones gonna bust out new triforce poppy and kill everyone.
I hope so. Changes to the meta are fun to watch.
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On August 31 2013 02:17 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing. Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator. Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now. On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods. Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for. I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3. What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules.
This is one of the cases where you can't really draw a direct comparison to traditional sports. You don't have a case in the NFL where you suddenly realize a certain passing play is OP and almost impossible to deal with. This patch is too close to Worlds but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with patches during the season.
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LoLReplay doesn't work for me, recorded my last game, and whenever I try to watch it it crashes after 20 seconds or so, with the "unable to load spectator data" pop-up. I just updated it and only recorded that one, it also only gives me the name, date and duration of the replay, but no champion portrait or stats or even the map picture.
Is that a common issue? Considering people post stuff in the 5HIT replay thread I thought it'd have been fixed since the last time.
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On August 31 2013 02:36 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:17 kainzero wrote:On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing. Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator. Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now. On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods. Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for. I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3. What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules. This is one of the cases where you can't really draw a direct comparison to traditional sports. You don't have a case in the NFL where you suddenly realize a certain passing play is OP and almost impossible to deal with. This patch is too close to Worlds but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with patches during the season.
It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though. People are so used to anything that is deemed powerful to be quickly changed so they never really have the time nor the patience to develop ways to deal with said powerful things. This is not to say there are never things that should be changed, just I think the way it has been has bred a community(Both Pro and Non-pro) that cannot deal with strength.
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On August 31 2013 02:48 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:36 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 31 2013 02:17 kainzero wrote:On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing. Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator. Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now. On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods. Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for. I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3. What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules. This is one of the cases where you can't really draw a direct comparison to traditional sports. You don't have a case in the NFL where you suddenly realize a certain passing play is OP and almost impossible to deal with. This patch is too close to Worlds but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with patches during the season. It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though. People are so used to anything that is deemed powerful to be quickly changed so they never really have the time nor the patience to develop ways to deal with said powerful things. This is not to say there are never things that should be changed, just I think the way it has been has bred a community(Both Pro and Non-pro) that cannot deal with strength.
It's possible, but this is the world we live in. I don't foresee Riot changing their balancing policy anytime soon. Patches are at least less frequent than they used to be. It would be really hard for people to learn to deal with strength in the way a lot of people here would like, it would take a long time.
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Mastery of a patch usually means cookie cutting the meta, I much prefer seeing a new champ in the lineup than yet another expertly played Zed.
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On August 31 2013 02:22 LaNague wrote:
someones gonna bust out new triforce poppy and kill everyone.
Doublelift Poppy, Nien ADC
CLG pls make it and pls fund.
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On August 31 2013 02:59 Osmoses wrote:
Mastery of a patch usually means cookie cutting the meta, I much prefer seeing a new champ in the lineup than yet another expertly played Zed.
I'd say cookie cutter meta signifies just the beginning of understanding the state of a patch game.
The general path for learning something new (especially that refutes earlier assumptions) is Denial/Confusion -> Imitation -> Understanding.
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I think Riot should just announce what patch Worlds will be played on so people can stop speculating/whining OR starting QQing at Riot to get things done right.
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On August 31 2013 03:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think Riot should just announce what patch Worlds will be played on so people can stop speculating/whining OR starting QQing at Riot to get things done right.
Nothing will ever stop that
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The Zac OP patch(3.10) was so boring to watch as a spectator. You need to ban him or pick him and there is no counterplay vs him. You can have teams that have "mastered" but isnt adaptation to new patches also a part of a team that are "professional players of the specific game".
The core values still stand in the 3.10a only the toxic style of play (in champions) are out of it or isnt toxic any more. They didnt make the nerfs so bad that it wasnt anymore viable.
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On August 31 2013 02:36 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:17 kainzero wrote:On August 31 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote:On August 31 2013 01:48 ExoFun wrote:
But the patch will bring more enjoyable games from my point of view. The league of Spirit visage/Zac was so boring to watch. And the patch isnt really that of a big deal. You know what brings enjoyable games? Teams having mastery over the version they're playing. Actually, never mind that because teams bumbling around with experimental heroes or losing with strategies that are outdated in the current version aren't as cringeworthy for the typical spectator. Plus you can't even know if 3.10a is an even more degenerate version than 3.10 because there haven't been any tournaments on it. You just assume it isn't because nobody has shown anything to be that strong, but of course if a team discovered something they'd be foolish to show it now. On August 31 2013 02:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Well really only China got shafted, right? I mean, they'll all get 3.10a at the same time, and China was 3.08 for too long, but they're the only region that it happened to, right?
Just saying it could be worse. Not that I like their patching methods. Yes, but the fact remains that no region has played a major tournament on 3.10a. Every regional event has been 3.10 and it feels fundamentally wrong to me for Worlds to be on a version that nobody has played a tournament for. I thought it was weird that TI3 qualifiers were on a different patch than TI3, but at least there were major tournaments on TI3 patch before TI3. What I really don't get is why League has "seasons" yet each season has a boatload of changes within the season. If they're trying so hard to be like real sports, then the season should have mostly unchangeable rules. This is one of the cases where you can't really draw a direct comparison to traditional sports. You don't have a case in the NFL where you suddenly realize a certain passing play is OP and almost impossible to deal with. This patch is too close to Worlds but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with patches during the season.
We did have the Wildcat Offense 2/3 years ago, and last year the QB Read Option.
I just think that things happen in the meta that need time to be worked out. For example, Ahri is seeing a lot more play recently and she hasn't been touched for a year.
Oh well, I don't want to get into another patching cycle argument.
At the very least, it'd be nice to have patch dates announced like months in advance.
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