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On August 10 2013 01:55 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:50 Perplex wrote:On August 09 2013 20:16 Capped wrote:
Yes you technically didnt lose anything, but on the flip side you technically did.
Dat logic. wtf lol. Dodging does nothing except change some pixels on your screen. The only rating that matters, your hidden rating, stays the same. So you're saying people should worry about the number they can't see, instead of the number they do see? That's not happening. It may be just an arbitrary representation, but it's the only thing we can see, therefore the only thing many people can care about, to whatever degree. No matter what your elo is, being in diamond 1 would probably feel pretty good.
"I'm silver but I play with plats and diamonds" vs "I'm diamond" matters a lot in conversation about strategy, especially here.
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so I saw a jungle lissandra last night, it seemed pretty legit, only thing is shes sort of a strong laner to begin with, but I found it interesting.
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On August 09 2013 16:11 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 16:09 Requizen wrote:On August 09 2013 16:05 JazzVortical wrote:On August 09 2013 15:31 Simberto wrote:On August 09 2013 12:52 TheLink wrote:
Support was defined as having an ability that helps an ally, nothing to do with gold. Don't know on these new updates. So, if Zyra is a support, that means that CC also counts. Which makes the only champion who is NOT a support Master Yi. What about Mordekaiser? Yi and Morde are both supports. After all, death is the best CC in the game Morde can put his shield on allies right? I guess that is a 'support' ability.
Fiora and Katarina are also not support champs 
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My guess for Zyra is the "vision/control" aspect of her seeds, a bit like Teemo's mushrooms, and the fact that her ultimate's delayed makes it easier to use to defend/zone than to wombo combo the enemy team (although it's entirely possible), which I guess counts as "supporting". Maybe that's why Viktor was previously tagged as support, because of his W. Gotta check Anivia now.
And yes I could have put "frustrating" in my post, but considering that it's a stronger word than "boring" and that I'm already a huge negative-nancy who spends his time complaining and sometimes saying something positive (the way a child marvels at something mundane he's just got shown) I try to tone it down. 
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On August 10 2013 02:24 silencefc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:17 ReketSomething wrote:On August 10 2013 02:03 silencefc wrote:
I know I'm late to the whole Smartcast & Dumbcast by a couple pages but, if you have Smartcast on and you hold down the hotkey, the range indicator stays up
It's also how you aim Viktor's laser and Rumble's ult with Smartcasting. That's only if you have smartcast range indicator on. The exception being laser + rumble ult. Yeah, but people were talking about leaving Dumbcast on so they can be sure of the range. Don't really need to do that with Smartcast's range indicator.
By the way. Playing smartcast with indicators on is not the same effect. With smartcast it is cast as soon as you press down vs. indicators is when you release, so the latter is barely quicker than dumbcast.
Edit.
So Morello has basically admitted that Master Yi is not the Yi they were looking for (SURPRISE!) The evidence is there: Bronze winrate is 52.9%, Diamond is 48.1%.
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On August 10 2013 02:42 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:39 Alaric wrote:
Man, Zed is so boring to lane against mid. He clears super fast and has short enough cooldowns that he can just instaclear the wave and still be able to fight you, contrary to a bunch of mids who use longer cd spells for this. Plus he's energy-based so he has no real mid-term consequences for spamming.
And since you're often a squishy, his W is a threat whenever you come close (compared to top) so even zoning him out outpoking him is rather hard.
That's a different kind of boring from long range clearers like Anivia, TF or Lux, but it's boring as hell nonetheless. I think I'd replace every boring in your post with frustrating.
for some reason every french person uses "boring" instead of "frustrating"
i mean both alaric and nenyimm in lp which is like two out of two
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On August 10 2013 03:03 Alaric wrote:My guess for Zyra is the "vision/control" aspect of her seeds, a bit like Teemo's mushrooms, and the fact that her ultimate's delayed makes it easier to use to defend/zone than to wombo combo the enemy team (although it's entirely possible), which I guess counts as "supporting". Maybe that's why Viktor was previously tagged as support, because of his W. Gotta check Anivia now. And yes I could have put "frustrating" in my post, but considering that it's a stronger word than "boring" and that I'm already a huge negative-nancy who spends his time complaining and sometimes saying something positive (the way a child marvels at something mundane he's just got shown) I try to tone it down.
Zyra is a good support because she has a humongous zone control/CC ultimate, objective control (even support Zyra adds a lot to a tower push/dragon attempt, level-based damage scaling (her plants), vision/bush control, a fairly low CD root, and a passive that wins early skirmishes and contributes a lot in teamfights. She doesn't need anything outside of a Sightstone to be useful as the game progresses.
That's the question that defines support champions at the moment: "How much can this champion do with nothing but a Sightstone?" It's why you don't see Taric, LeBlanc, or Lux as supports in competitive play, without farm all they bring is minimal utility and damage that falls off past the early game.
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On August 10 2013 01:55 -Zoda- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:32 SagaZ wrote:On August 10 2013 01:25 Nos- wrote:
I do like that SC2 paved the way for large scale game tournaments that were held on a fairly consistent basis, at least in NA/EU BW paved the way for SC2 who paved the way for the next big hit (LoL). And in the futur we will say that LoL paved the way for XXX game to be successfull. the circle of video games! It doesn't seem BW paved much outside of Korea, the west was more about CS and W3. But I might be mistaken, I didn't follow these at all.
The impact of BW is not about how to set up tournaments or attract sponsor, it's alot more deep than that. It showed a different view of watching video games, that passion for the game could construct something great. It also created teamliquid, and it is my strong belief that without TL shoving sc2 down everyone's throath it would have been a forgotten title very very quickly.
SC2 became successfull because it rided on BW's name, the hudge "ESPORTS" building wasn't there yet but the fondations were, and they were extremely strong, it was only a matter of having people with enought passion to build up.
LoL right now is adopting a system where the company employs the players and make them play in their tournaments. Who knows? maybe that's how every competitive video game will be in the future, and we will sit back, watch it and say, "yep, all of this you see is thanks to X game" and it's a good thing
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On August 10 2013 03:17 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:03 Alaric wrote:My guess for Zyra is the "vision/control" aspect of her seeds, a bit like Teemo's mushrooms, and the fact that her ultimate's delayed makes it easier to use to defend/zone than to wombo combo the enemy team (although it's entirely possible), which I guess counts as "supporting". Maybe that's why Viktor was previously tagged as support, because of his W. Gotta check Anivia now. And yes I could have put "frustrating" in my post, but considering that it's a stronger word than "boring" and that I'm already a huge negative-nancy who spends his time complaining and sometimes saying something positive (the way a child marvels at something mundane he's just got shown) I try to tone it down. Zyra is a good support because she has a humongous zone control/CC ultimate, objective control (even support Zyra adds a lot to a tower push/dragon attempt, level-based damage scaling (her plants), vision/bush control, a fairly low CD root, and a passive that wins early skirmishes and contributes a lot in teamfights. She doesn't need anything outside of a Sightstone to be useful as the game progresses. That's the question that defines support champions at the moment: "How much can this champion do with nothing but a Sightstone?" It's why you don't see Taric, LeBlanc, or Lux as supports in competitive play, without farm all they bring is minimal utility and damage that falls off past the early game.
They were talking about why Riot is defining them as support in their tags, not what defines a good support champion.
IIRC Madlife has played Lux.
To be honest I think there's a lot more potential to play LeBlanc/Lux and other unconventional supports in pub than in competitive, since you can generally get away with playing a lot greedier in pub with GP/10 + reduced ward coverage.
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I was talking about the way Riot tags champions as supports, for example Zyra but not (can't remember who). There are way too many champions tagged as fighters either primarily or secundarily though, but my guess is that most champions have to be tagged as either fighter (frontline guy relying on autos) or mage (guy relying on spells). Talon being an Assassin/Fighter rather than straight-up Assassin feels a bit dumb for example.
Zilean's support/mage, my guess is support is first because he only really has one "battle mage" spell, his Q, while his prominent trait is his ult, which is resolutely support-oriented.
Syndra's secondarily support too, so is Anivia. And why not have Graves as Marksman/Fighter when Nunu is Support/Fighter, for example? Elise is Mage/Fighter, despite her kit being designed with assassination in mind (I mean, she can straight-up kill people 100-0 without even using her whole kit during the early/mid game).
As for boring/frustrating, despite having trouble with words I do make a distinction between both. TF and Lux bore me to death, Anivia is frustrating because she's a combo of safe-boring and bullshit, Elise is frustrating because of how abusive she is, Zed is boring and becomes frustrating if you try too hard to make stuff happen (which won't work so you fall back to boring), etc.
y u make fun of my redacting skillz? 
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you are justifying your distinction with explanations including anivia being "bullshit" and elise being "abusive" which i don't see any distinction for either xd
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yeti paws beat shotguns at close range obviously
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Yeti paws used to beat everything, yeti stronk.
And let me be binary by either being overtly vague for lack of words to express my thoughts or superflously specific in what I entail within a single term, dammit!
You'd probably disagree with me if I went on a rant about why I think Anivia's bullshit, while my opinion of Elise is much more widespread, hence the different terms with bullshit feeling less collected, thus less rational and more subjective to me, tho. Warned you.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Anivia is like the most played champion in the czechfag tournament
czech meta OP
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On August 10 2013 01:55 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:50 Perplex wrote:On August 09 2013 20:16 Capped wrote:
Yes you technically didnt lose anything, but on the flip side you technically did.
Dat logic. wtf lol. Dodging does nothing except change some pixels on your screen. The only rating that matters, your hidden rating, stays the same. So you're saying people should worry about the number they can't see, instead of the number they do see? That's not happening. It may be just an arbitrary representation, but it's the only thing we can see, therefore the only thing many people can care about, to whatever degree. No matter what your elo is, being in diamond 1 would probably feel pretty good.
Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. The number that you can't see is the only thing that matters because it is the sole influence on the number that you DO see. Dodging games, promotion or not, has no effect in the long run. You will gain more points the next time you win to compensate.
and don't say "it's not happening". It is certainly happening for anyone with even the slightest modicum of intelligence.
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On August 10 2013 04:03 Scip wrote:
Anivia is like the most played champion in the czechfag tournament
czech meta OP
Where can you watch that shit?
Also, is a czechfag like, a czech who will only do other czechs?
Should we stay out of the sauna?
Edit: Also, you know what bugs me about Yi now? The immune to slows thing.
It makes him super binary by making it so some laners absolutely cannot deal with him at all, and others have no problem.
It was like that before, but the rest of the kit was stupid then too.
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On August 10 2013 04:07 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:55 Dark_Chill wrote:On August 10 2013 01:50 Perplex wrote:On August 09 2013 20:16 Capped wrote:
Yes you technically didnt lose anything, but on the flip side you technically did.
Dat logic. wtf lol. Dodging does nothing except change some pixels on your screen. The only rating that matters, your hidden rating, stays the same. So you're saying people should worry about the number they can't see, instead of the number they do see? That's not happening. It may be just an arbitrary representation, but it's the only thing we can see, therefore the only thing many people can care about, to whatever degree. No matter what your elo is, being in diamond 1 would probably feel pretty good. Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. The number that you can't see is the only thing that matters because it is the sole influence on the number that you DO see. Dodging games, promotion or not, has no effect in the long run. You will gain more points the next time you win to compensate. and don't say "it's not happening". It is certainly happening for anyone with even the slightest modicum of intelligence.
I would say that having enough games played that your rank aligns with your mmr is another influence
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On August 10 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
Edit: Also, you know what bugs me about Yi now? The immune to slows thing.
It makes him super binary by making it so some laners absolutely cannot deal with him at all, and others have no problem.
It was like that before, but the rest of the kit was stupid then too.
It's fairly hilarious that they set out to make AP yi less snowbally/reset dependent [weaker @ low, stronger @ high levels], and produced the current vision. There's no way the issues wouldn't have been obvious during any kind of testing, so I wonder why they did the release that they are unhappy about.
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On August 10 2013 04:29 Haiq343 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
Edit: Also, you know what bugs me about Yi now? The immune to slows thing.
It makes him super binary by making it so some laners absolutely cannot deal with him at all, and others have no problem.
It was like that before, but the rest of the kit was stupid then too. It's fairly hilarious that they set out to make AP yi less snowbally/reset dependent [weaker @ low, stronger @ high levels], and produced the current vision. There's no way the issues wouldn't have been obvious during any kind of testing, so I wonder why they did the release that they are unhappy about.
It's not like he's any less annoying, he just builds AD now and is auto attacks hurt more lol.
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Well he can't get huge meditates now which was what made him unstoppable in lane, which is an improvement.
But yeah, he still seems really strong in lane. And is probably stronger now super late game.
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