EPTEven if Riot makes a champion that does 1000x damage of a regular champion, you can just ban him and the game as a whole will be relatively undamaged. You can't ban units in sc2.
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Even if Riot makes a champion that does 1000x damage of a regular champion, you can just ban him and the game as a whole will be relatively undamaged. You can't ban units in sc2. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
You need to be fed / doing well to get teammates to listen to you and you need to be making the correct calls that the teammates are LISTENING to. If either 1) you dont carry hard, your score is meh / bad or 2) your teammates are completely unresponsive and just derping then you either 1) didnt carry hard enough to get them to listen, or 2) they are complete fucking idiots. When 2) 2) happens, its an uncarryable game out of your control. Also a mentionable 3) Rage. If you rage with incompetent teammates, expect to lose. As it will cause a 2) 2) situation. You are never going to win games 1v5 in a straight-up teamfight. You win games 1v5 by managing the team around you and your plays. If they are unresponsive, never listen, dont group up, dont follow plays and get caught all the time every time, its probably uncarryable, but how often does this happen if you carry hard and make calls nicely? Not fucking often. The amount your team listens is often directly represented by your "score" or carrying, go 5-0 in lane or 0-0-8 in jungle and your team are going to be up your ass listening. go 0-5 and they're going to tell u to stfu and play safe or afk. If you dont carry, it is your fault you lose, because your team will refuse to listen to the feeding scrub, which makes it YOUR fault. And all this from a raging bronze 3 player. I should listen to myself sometimes :3 This is also a complete example of how supports can carry games. Go hard on leona for example and as long as your team is listening and following plays, your plays will win you games. I remember a game where my team was being fools, i just asked them to go mid while i pushed, they fucking aced 4v5 (???) while down kills and took mid inhib while i took top. I didnt know wtf happened but it did, i'd go so far as to say a team of diamonds would always win a 4v5 so long as the teams are evenly farmed (ish) because of the level of bad plays sub gold. human error is high. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:29 Sufficiency wrote: The problem with sc2 balance compared to lol balance is that lol has this thing called banning phase. Even if Riot makes a champion that does 1000x damage of a regular champion, you can just ban him and the game as a whole will be relatively undamaged. You can't ban units in sc2. Balance in SC2 doesn't even compare analogously to LoL balance because there's no asymmetry. SC2 needs to think about balance in the "fairness" sense because you can't allow one race to be stronger than another, whereas in LoL the same champ pool is available to both teams. "Balance" in LoL isn't balance in the RTS sense. It's essentially addressing issues of certain things being fun or un-fun for people under the guise of balance. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:38 TheYango wrote: Balance in SC2 doesn't even compare analogously to LoL balance because there's no asymmetry. SC2 needs to think about balance in the "fairness" sense because you can't allow one race to be stronger than another, whereas in LoL the same champ pool is available to both teams. "Balance" in LoL isn't balance in the RTS sense. It's essentially addressing issues of certain things being fun or un-fun for people under the guise of balance. Yeah silly Blizzard. Should have made SC2 having a pool of all 3 race's units, and you do banning pick like in dota. I'm interested in that game, serious. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I was placed in that area and oh god it took forever to get out. After I rode the pony to Silver 2 it was pretty easy to get to Silver 1. Gold V had a few rough spots, but then I got my way past that and clawed my way up, catching the occasional ride on Sejuani, Karma and the pony. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Are any EU members with a "name" to themselves here in TLLoL willing to setup / help me setup the same TLIH that neo got running in NA? (im sure neo would help you too :3) I feel like EU could benefit too but it needs someone people recognise organising it. Im just known as that bronze scrub, which doesnt help hahaha. Like i said i'd be happy to help but i need a name to advertise LOL. On July 28 2013 12:46 ticklishmusic wrote: Low Silver is actually the worst part of ranked. A lot of pretty bad but not-quite-braindead people go through their placements and end up silver. Then they assume because they got not-Bronze they're good and will climb to Plat/Diamond soon enough. When it doesn't happen its just an endless cycle self-jerking taht "I know I'm better than my rank" and the guy makes no effort to improve. I was placed in that area and oh god it took forever to get out. After I rode the pony to Silver 2 it was pretty easy to get to Silver 1. Gold V had a few rough spots, but then I got my way past that and clawed my way up, catching the occasional ride on Sejuani, Karma and the pony. This is unbelievably true. Some of my ARAM-ONLY ALL DAY friends played their placements and got lucky to get silver V. Since getting there they are like 4-20 and still think they are superior to me. Spectated a couple of games and asked "Why are you taking CS as support taric?" - BECAUSE I NEED ITEMS STFU. "You need more CS as Ez" (14 at 20 min LOL) - Im getting kills and in fights man i cant farm vs cait!! Also witnessed a huge rage convo between them all on TS3 where they were flaming laners for taking wraiths / golems from jungler when "Jungle is the true carry and needs farm more then them!" and "I take all the kills as jungle because i need them more" - Specifically stated if a laner is 0-3 or something, they shouldn't take a kill + red buff, the jungler should because when they are 0-3 they are useless. And anytime i try to explain / show them streams or evidence i get told to shut the fuck up because im bronze. My friends are the nightmares elohell is based on. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:43 gtrsrs wrote: k just got to meet dunkey life complete Well??!?!? Are you seriously just going to leave it like that.... Please gtr explain, details!!! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Off topic: I brought up an idea of jungle Shen a while back. What about revive shen? I feel like global ult with revive can be quite strong. Obviously revive isn't always useful, but if the fight is ongoing then it could be somewhat strong. Also it's a lot of temporary health and movespeed. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:46 TheYango wrote: First pick would be OP because you ban 2 workers and pick the 3rd. Assuming you still spawn with workers: Zerg: 4/6pool Protoss: cannon rush Terran: bunker rush On July 28 2013 12:48 obesechicken13 wrote: Off topic: I brought up an idea of jungle Shen a while back. What about revive shen? I feel like global ult with revive can be quite strong. Obviously revive isn't always useful, but if the fight is ongoing then it could be somewhat strong. Also it's a lot of temporary health and movespeed. I've seen Shen jungle now and them, but the loss of teleport (or flash) for Smite decreases his global presence a lot. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:48 obesechicken13 wrote: OT: I feel like Silver is a good place to be in. Even if I can't win all my games, the people are nicer than bronze and rarely leave and I don't have to try hard to win. I can still win games even if I play someone for the first time. I want to get better at the game but I'd be fine to always stay silver. Off topic: I brought up an idea of jungle Shen a while back. What about revive shen? I feel like global ult with revive can be quite strong. Obviously revive isn't always useful, but if the fight is ongoing then it could be somewhat strong. Also it's a lot of temporary health and movespeed. Revive/smite jungle? Idk, revive + ult looks like it could be good, but it would come down to teamcomps and if the fights are going to be 5v5 extended. You're also rendered completely useless if you're forced to Ult to save someone / gank because you werent involved in the fight. Your revive is then useless because u have no ult to get into the fight again. And your shen, you aint getting focused so your team will be dead before you die + revive + ult them. | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
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canikizu
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On July 28 2013 12:46 TheYango wrote: First pick would be OP because you ban 2 workers and pick the 3rd. So I guess we should assume that you can still choose your race and basic mining style. But seriously though, I'm curious about that game. Maybe they should have just one basic mechanic mining style like AoE for example, but you can ban and pick your other warring units. I think there is an online game like that, but cant remember the name | ||
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vvSiegvv
United States364 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:43 gtrsrs wrote: k just got to meet dunkey life complete pretty jealous not gonna lie..... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:38 TheYango wrote: Balance in SC2 doesn't even compare analogously to LoL balance because there's no asymmetry. SC2 needs to think about balance in the "fairness" sense because you can't allow one race to be stronger than another, whereas in LoL the same champ pool is available to both teams. "Balance" in LoL isn't balance in the RTS sense. It's essentially addressing issues of certain things being fun or un-fun for people under the guise of balance. Or honestly, considering how much Riot has invested in Esports, the preferences of the viewing audience. I think fans appreciate comebacks, but they don't like "lucky" comebacks, which is why Non-Madlife Blitzcranks are hated. Fans also have a distaste for seeing the same champs being played. This is like the Jayce/TF problem. We see that TF is so strong, that even if you suck, he is still too good. I think fans dont mind the TF that exists right now, except for when a TF derps his first 2-3 ults, but then gets 1 good one and wins the game (also kinda the blitzcrank situation). I mean, people LOVED Voyboy's crazy Olaf Double kill, they cheered when Froggen picked Anivia even when Anivia was FOTM, or Diamond's Lee. The issue was that TheOddOne was picking Lee Sin, and that every NA mid has a feared Twisted Fate, in spite of locking Red cards and wasting Ults. If TF's ult would like triple in CD if you didn't get a kill, people wouldn't get so bored of him. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 28 2013 12:47 Shelke14 wrote: Well??!?!? Are you seriously just going to leave it like that.... Please gtr explain, details!!! an amateur team manager was asking me for some help with some stuff, so i helped them and then somehow dunkey came up in conversation and this manager is friends with dunkey. introduced me, got me in a skype call with dunkey himself. was gonna play a game with him but i had to go take care of some stuff. i made him laugh with a joke about how we are in last place and i am pretty sure we're best buds now | ||
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UniversalSnip
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 28 2013 13:04 UniversalSnip wrote: who is dunkey? | ||
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